A New Website for WoW Modding

[Skarn]

I agree, it shouldn't need locked. But there's a certain line of ruthless flaming and dehumanizing that you just shouldn't cross. What's been said just now is by far the cruelest and most fucked up thing I have ever read on Modcraft.

Yes, it is. But honestly both of you, Milly and Skarn, you don't feel the way you was posting here was forcing that ?

And take this as a funny sidenote:

Skarn was blaming me I would do agism. To be honest I didn't know that word in English, I had to translate it first. Even in German (Altersdiskriminierung) I find it funny.

Wasn't it you both that was telling about old guys, 50+ old ? As far as I know here are quite a lot of well reputated users 40+ and even 50+. Isn't blaming that people not also agism ?

I won't answer your first question because I don't feel anything now. I am awake for too long to analyze things now.

Speaking about, the second one, agism is pretty much the same thing as e.g. racism but based on age criterion. I am not sure what you are asking... though, I usually have no problem with people older or younger than me, but if I did somewhere, I apologize. Again I ask not to start personal converstations in this thread because nobody but us cares about them. It can be very well discussed in PMs or somewhere.
Edit: Did not notice your "No asnwer needed" but anyway.

[Magnus]

This thread anyway lost its focus, that's why I vote to delete most of the stuff, may even everything.

I know after translation what agism is. I wanted to point out that this works in both directions. Think about what you wrote just some hours ago here. ;-)

[MountainLion]

All I know about this 'new website' is the following:

Since months their owners make guerilla marketing and try to steal Modcraft users. They contact people here by PM and Skype and try to make bad mood against Steff and Schlumpf from Modcraft.

In the beginning I assured my support for these young people and liked the ideas for a restart in the modding scene.

I gave them in their forum in a friendly manner a lot of detailed hints and tips about website issues, CSS fixes, RSS stuff and shared my opinion about their old domain name which was not optimal in my mind. I told them point by point why I suggest to choose another name. I offered them my help in German translation of some part of the website.

All what I got from them was blaming me as an idiot who doesn't know anything about everything. They spit on my public forum posts in way I never saw in the last 20 years. They blamed me personally in Skype. And they kick me out of their community with really verbally harassing words. I was really very very shocked about such a childish behaviour.

After looking few weeks later I have seen that they have implemented all my proposals and even changed their domain name.

Of course there was no 'Thank you' nor any excuses.

Go away Milly and shame over you.

First off, I don't agree with Steff on many things including WoW Modding but he is a cool guy and has been my friend for many months now. He has even helped me with learning some German. Schlumpf hates me, sure, but I don't hate him. We pick fun with him often, but what does that have to do with this website? Nothing.

And I'd like to assure anyone who reads this, let it be known that Magnus is a lunatic. I don't know if it is an English language barrier or not, but when he came onto our site he started saying extremely hurtful and offensive things to us, not in the manner that he described.

Yes he made valid suggestions, but in such heartless ways. We told him we appreciate the feedback but that he needs to understand that we're not even in Beta phase yet. And still, he criticizes relentlessly in a very impolite manner. Eventually he goes too far and I ask him to stop being so fucking negative.

He flips out, starts calling me as some heartless crazed fool, just as he is doing here. He is wrong. I am so tired of this man thinking that he is better than everyone and more intelligent just because he's 50-some years old. Just keep on calling us kids and young people. It really shows your character.

This is an example of you creating drama when you should instead think before speaking OR even speaking about it at all... But Milly always has to clarify things to the point it becomes a shitfest, as far as I've noticed. A way I would personally go about things when they start to go wrong is: "I'm sorry I don't see it that way but let's get back to topic and avoid a shitfest shall we?". And you avoid becoming the asshat of the class. Just saying. This message is entirely directed to Milly.

p.s. Also if I'm wrong about the threads not being the exact 100% same I don't remember it has been a while since I read them. I don't know if you edited them at some point. I don't care though.

[Milly]

You realize though that the thing you're doing right now is the same thing you accuse me of? Being stubborn, defensive, and always wanting to clarify your point of view? You keep coming back always wanting the last laugh. You just don't stop. Yet you accuse me of the exact same thing. Is it okay for you to do it, but not me?

Please, respect the fact that everyone else here has agreed to move on and stop flaming. This is ridiculous.

[MountainLion]

You realize though that the thing you're doing right now is the same thing you accuse me of? Being stubborn, defensive, and always wanting to clarify your point of view? You keep coming back always wanting the last laugh. You just don't stop. Yet you accuse me of the exact same thing. Is it okay for you to do it, but not me?

Please, respect the fact that everyone else here has agreed to move on and stop flaming. This is ridiculous.

Oh but of course I realize this... I hope you can see how fucking annoying it is to be this way. Awesome, let's move on!

[Milly]

Oh but of course I realize this... I hope you can see how fucking annoying it is to be this way. Awesome, let's move on!

Believe me I won't deny for a second that I'm stubborn as a mule. Glad we got that out of the way.

[Magnus]

:-) And than somebody fucks me when I'm telling that some reactions of some people are not totally mature :-)

Ok, unfortunately I have now to go to sleep early. Old guys, you know ;-)

I vote again to delete tomorrow most of this discussion. There is no reason to let the whole world participate in this private discussion.

If it is for some reasons not possible to delete some or all posts I vote as follows:

Regarding the X'Mas time all posters (incl. me) delete their own posts by EDIT and replace it by a nice X'Mas card, screen shot, poem or something else. Take it as a punishment ;-)

Good night.

[axel0099]

:-) And than somebody fucks me when I'm telling that some reactions of some people are not totally mature :-)

Ok, unfortunately I have now to go to sleep early. Old guys, you know ;-)

I vote again to delete tomorrow most of this discussion. There is no reason to let the whole world participate in this private discussion.

If it is for some reasons not possible to delete some or all posts I vote as follows:

Regarding the X'Mas time all posters (incl. me) delete their own posts by EDIT and replace it by a nice X'Mas card, screen shot, poem or something else. Take it as a punishment ;-)

Good night.

well buddy, this isn´t a private discussion.
and you did post it for all the world to see
I on the other hand request that mountainlion be demoted, I find him extremely offensive and find his way of communication aggresive, defensive, childish and most of all not suited for his role as a moderator. He starts flame wars wherever he goes and even his recruitment thread got people into a "fight".
I also don't really see which particular set of skills made him get this rank and I have never even seen anything he has made.

The only thing he does here is whine and being annoying.
thanks.

[MountainLion]

:-) And than somebody fucks me when I'm telling that some reactions of some people are not totally mature :-)

Ok, unfortunately I have now to go to sleep early. Old guys, you know ;-)

I vote again to delete tomorrow most of this discussion. There is no reason to let the whole world participate in this private discussion.

If it is for some reasons not possible to delete some or all posts I vote as follows:

Regarding the X'Mas time all posters (incl. me) delete their own posts by EDIT and replace it by a nice X'Mas card, screen shot, poem or something else. Take it as a punishment ;-)

Good night.

well buddy, this isn´t a private discussion.
and you did post it for all the world to see
I on the other hand request that mountainlion be demoted, I find him extremely offensive and find his way of communication aggresive, defensive, childish and most of all not suited for his role as a moderator. He starts flame wars wherever he goes and even his recruitment thread got people into a "fight".
I also don't really see which particular set of skills made him get this rank and I have never even seen anything he has made.

The only thing he does here is whine and being annoying.
thanks.

"I'm sorry I don't see it that way but let's get back to topic and avoid a shitfest shall we?". And you avoid becoming the asshat of the class. Just saying.

[Supora]

I on the other hand request that mountainlion be demoted, I find him extremely offensive and find his way of communication aggresive, defensive, childish and most of all not suited for his role as a moderator. He starts flame wars wherever he goes and even his recruitment thread got people into a "fight".
I also don't really see which particular set of skills made him get this rank and I have never even seen anything he has made.

Agreed with that. MountainLion take many things as personal and acts in a disgusting way. Not the way that moderator should act. Even schlumpf didn't act that way. I find schlumpfs posts some kind funny and honest most of the time. But post of MountainLion are acid for me. And I don't need such moderator.

[Skarn]

Guys, I kindly ask you again to cease personal discussions here. This is not a thread to discuss people, this is a thread dedicated to the new community idea. Please avoid that kind of off-topic because it causes conflicts.

[Amaroth]

Guys, you can always create a topic made for that purpouse and discuss problem with MountainLion as mod there.

[Steff]

"MountainLion take many things as personal"

I do also. Thats why I simple dont write here.

It could be so nice if people would invest energy in projects as they do in such stupid discussions

My points.
- 2 boards perhaps split audiance > not good for scene.
- Why people not just asked to improof MC instead of creat new things. If you are a part of an community you help there and don´t create a new one.
- Main problem of scene > No good working tools and real motivated people who fulfill promises.

All I will say to this discussion. Now to something completly different >> work for modding scene. Currently coding on neo.

[Magnus]

2 boards perhaps split audiance > not good for scene.

What I told. However that's life. But may better 2 communities than one with some angry people inside.

Why people not just asked to improof MC instead of creat new things. If you are a part of an community you help there and don´t create a new one.

Well, afaik there was several attempts to help or to improve. Behind the curtain and also in some posts here. Even I offered some help. But the answer was always Thanks, but No, Thanks.

Main problem of scene > No good working tools and real motivated people who fulfill promises.

That's everywhere, not only in this scene. P-Server, Core Development, Modding, all the same. Also outside of WoW related projects.
1 is working, 10 stay around and give 'good' remarks. :-)

As for me I can say:
In a technical forum like this I'm looking for solutions and if I don't find it already by using the board search I hope somebody can answer my question.
Modcraft fits always this requirements. The wiki and the forum contains tons of exciting information in good quality. Collected over about 10 years !
And the community is very helpful, friendly and fast in replying my questions.

I'm also not really interested in gimmicks like the color of usernames nor any of the modern social board 'features' like credits, medals, bonus, ranks, likes, blah blah blah.

I got here what I need. Thanks for that.

[Skarn]

"MountainLion take many things as personal"

I do also. Thats why I simple dont write here.

It could be so nice if people would invest energy in projects as they do in such stupid discussions

My points.
- 2 boards perhaps split audiance > not good for scene.
- Why people not just asked to improof MC instead of creat new things. If you are a part of an community you help there and don´t create a new one.
- Main problem of scene > No good working tools and real motivated people who fulfill promises.

All I will say to this discussion. Now to something completly different >> work for modding scene. Currently coding on neo.

1. Yeah, you are right that split audience is not good for the scene. Though, most our users still get here. Including me and other stuff members. The only thing I don't do is not posting my tutorials or releases here as it kills the point then. But I sitll help people.

2. Hm, well, we did. Even before starting the site and many times after. I remember we also proposed you to merge into one project aka improving the community, you rejected. So, well, we tried. Then the explanation is obvious: You can't change something that does not want to be changed. That's why we got working on the new community.

3. You are absolutely right about those problems. There is no motivated people to dev tools. Why? New people who might be interested come to Modcraft and see nothing useful there. It is hard to find some things for beginners. The only good improvement in this aspect that I see is merging all showoffs together, so people can get the impression of what modders are capable of and get motivated to dev tools for them. Though, our way of doing it (user galleries) is still better in my opinion. More presentable.

The whole point of the project is to move modding forward. Here I won't simply be allowed to do what I consider good for the good communityt to exist. That's it