A New Website for WoW Modding

[Rangorn]

Sitting on the old rusty and ugly WotLK just because its comfortable is not at all a way to progress. If the modding community should develop, it should start from modding itself.

give this man a medal [insert putin jpg here]

[Magnus]

All I know about this 'new website' is the following:

Since months their owners make guerilla marketing and try to steal Modcraft users. They contact people here by PM and Skype and try to make bad mood against Steff and Schlumpf from Modcraft.

In the beginning I assured my support for these young people and liked the ideas for a restart in the modding scene.

I gave them in their forum in a friendly manner a lot of detailed hints and tips about website issues, CSS fixes, RSS stuff and shared my thougths about their old domain name which was not optimal in my opinion. I told them point by point why I suggest to choose another name. I offered them my help in German translation of some part of the website.

All what I got from them was blaming me as an idiot who doesn't know anything about everything. They spit on my public forum posts in way I never saw in the last 20 years. They blamed me personally in Skype. And they kick me out of their community with really verbally harassing words. I was really very very shocked about such a childish behaviour.

After looking few weeks later I have seen that they have implemented all my proposals and even changed their domain name.

Of course there was no 'Thank you' nor any excuses.

Go away Milly and shame over you.

[Milly]

All I know about this 'new website' is the following:

Since months their owners make guerilla marketing and try to steal Modcraft users. They contact people here by PM and Skype and try to make bad mood against Steff and Schlumpf from Modcraft.

In the beginning I assured my support for these young people and liked the ideas for a restart in the modding scene.

I gave them in their forum in a friendly manner a lot of detailed hints and tips about website issues, CSS fixes, RSS stuff and shared my opinion about their old domain name which was not optimal in my mind. I told them point by point why I suggest to choose another name. I offered them my help in German translation of some part of the website.

All what I got from them was blaming me as an idiot who doesn't know anything about everything. They spit on my public forum posts in way I never saw in the last 20 years. They blamed me personally in Skype. And they kick me out of their community with really verbally harassing words. I was really very very shocked about such a childish behaviour.

After looking few weeks later I have seen that they have implemented all my proposals and even changed their domain name.

Of course there was no 'Thank you' nor any excuses.

Go away Milly and shame over you.

First off, I don't agree with Steff on many things including WoW Modding but he is a cool guy and has been my friend for many months now. He has even helped me with learning some German. Schlumpf hates me, sure, but I don't hate him. We pick fun with him often, but what does that have to do with this website? Nothing.

And I'd like to assure anyone who reads this, let it be known that Magnus is a lunatic. I don't know if it is an English language barrier or not, but when he came onto our site he started saying extremely hurtful and offensive things to us, not in the manner that he described.

Yes he made valid suggestions, but in such heartless ways. We told him we appreciate the feedback but that he needs to understand that we're not even in Beta phase yet. And still, he criticizes relentlessly in a very impolite manner. Eventually he goes too far and I ask him to stop being so fucking negative.

He flips out, starts calling me as some heartless crazed fool, just as he is doing here. He is wrong. I am so tired of this man thinking that he is better than everyone and more intelligent just because he's 50-some years old. Just keep on calling us kids and young people. It really shows your character.

[Magnus]

Be careful Milly, I have the full Skype log what you have discussed with me and in which way. ;-)
Especially what you told about your good old friend Steff.

However I'm happy that you have followed my lunatic proposals and improved your website and project name/domain in that way I suggested.

I wish you all the best with your new project. I think people can get their own impression about the language you are using here.

BTW: And of course the whole world is hating you. Not only Schlumpf, keep serious, please  :-)

[Skarn]

All I know about this 'new website' is the following:

Since months their owners make guerilla marketing and try to steal Modcraft users. They contact people here by PM and Skype and try to make bad mood against Steff and Schlumpf from Modcraft.

In the beginning I assured my support for these young people and liked the ideas for a restart in the modding scene.

I gave them in their forum in a friendly manner a lot of detailed hints and tips about website issues, CSS fixes, RSS stuff and shared my thougths about their old domain name which was not optimal in my opinion. I told them point by point why I suggest to choose another name. I offered them my help in German translation of some part of the website.

All what I got from them was blaming me as an idiot who doesn't know anything about everything. They spit on my public forum posts in way I never saw in the last 20 years. They blamed me personally in Skype. And they kick me out of their community with really verbally harassing words. I was really very very shocked about such a childish behaviour.

After looking few weeks later I have seen that they have implemented all my proposals and even changed their domain name.

Of course there was no 'Thank you' nor any excuses.

Go away Milly and shame over you.

Oh, that's a really nice one here. Let me clean something out for you and other people you have possibly managed to embed your crippled ideas into.

Are you talking about marketing? Since when are we trying to sell something or make money in some other way? We indeed contacted people to let them know about the site and to collect valueable opinions. Steal modcraft users? Users are not sheep, but people. They can take decisions on their own and choose where they want to stay. We are just presenting our project here. All I've personally tried to make bad mood of is Modcraft and the recent decisions taken there by the team. That's the point of our project to offer soemthing better, you know. Nothing personal against those guys mentioned.

Oh, my favourite part. Your messages are always full of agism. You call people young or kids without knowing them personally, for no reason, and trying to make yourself look superior. I am not a doctor, but in such cases I advice to go visit some psychoterapist to help you figuring out your problems with younger people.

Childish behaviour? You created a few topics on the board criticizing some aspects in a DEMANDING way. I am not against suggestions, requests and other polite forms of communication. When someone starts to demand. so I feel like "he is my boss and I am doing his job", I personally can't resist to explain that to him. There is no way you could expect any polite response to your threads without showing even a bit of respect to other people. I made an effort and replyed you normally on the board, but that's not what I actually thought.

No one has banned you from the site or kicked you out. You did on your own. You messaged me asking ro remove your messages and profile from the site which I did not perform 100%. I moved only messages because they were horrible.

If someone is interested to see what we are talking about, the conversation is still available in the depths of the forum graveyard.

I want to apologize to people who are not involved in this for reading this wall of text. But as you see, the situation requires that.

[Milly]

Be careful Milly, I have the full Skype log what you have discussed with me and in which way. ;-)
Especially what you told about your good old friend Steff.

However I'm happy that you have followed my lunatic proposals and improved your website and project name/domain in that way I suggested.

I wish you all the best with your new project. I think people can get their own impression about the language you are using here.

BTW: And of course the whole world is hating you. Not only Schlumpf, keep serious, please  :-)

If they exist, I honestly don't remember. And my Skype doesn't have logs on it, so.

Anyway thank you for the kind words. I'm sure that everyone in the world hates me.

[schlumpf]

All I've personally tried to make bad mood of is Modcraft and the recent decisions taken there by the team.

I don't give a shit about all your drama, but if this is your plan, then please, just take your business elsewhere and stop visiting this site.

and I really highly dislike you

as said in a plethora of PMs you made with the only goal to piss me off. It was a huge mistake ever unbanning you.

[Milly]

Well schlumpf, when I said that I meant it. But my opinion has changed.

[Skarn]

All I've personally tried to make bad mood of is Modcraft and the recent decisions taken there by the team.

I don't give a shit about all your drama, but if this is your plan, then please, just take your business elsewhere and stop visiting this site.

I think I used the wrong words. Well, I actually took those from Magnus. I just meant that all I could do is to speak about disadvantages modcraft has.

[Magnus]

@Skarn

You are not right, Skarn, I told about young people, not even used the word kids. Please, if you cite me, than do it right.

In the beginning I assured my support for these young people and liked the ideas for a restart in the modding scene.

And I told 'young people' because I was chatting about 3-4 hours with Milly in Skype and know his age. He IS young and it would be a pleasure to me to work with people in this age. I do it every day, by the way. There is absolutely nothing negative in young people, vice versa.

About the other things you tell ... I let it stay as it is. Everyone can read here my posts and can decide if even one of these posts was unfriendly or not helpful. At least I tried to do my best to help where ever I can and my limited time allows me.

And about marketing ....
I'm not against marketing. But marketing is advertising your own products on the marketplace. Normally it's not allowed to advertise products or services on the competitors place or to contact offensive customers/users of the competitors. However that's my personal opinion, I'm not owner of Modcraft.

[Milly]

I'm civil as long as you're civil Magnus. You helped us out a bit, yes. Thanks, I guess? We just didn't appreciate the way you did and we got pissed about it. I don't know why that = war.

I agree that advertising on a competitor's website shouldn't be allowed. But if Modcraft is our competitor, and they have a rules page, and that page says nothing about advertising, then can you blame us? Also not to mention that posts like iMithos's was allowed to live for weeks. In any case we contacted only a few people here. We have huge Skype groups as well.

By the way, I downloaded a cool program that lets me view my Skype chat logs. I found our conversation, and the only things I read on my part are nice things about Steff. I said he is an okay guy. And I said I was a little upset with him after he yelled at us. That's all I can see here.

[Amaroth]

I have exchanged a few conversations with both Milly and Skarn and never had any problem with those two. I also never had any reason to dislike you Magnus. So the question is... dafuq is happening here?

Anyway, I am quite sure about 2 things.
1. this stupid public personal flame war leads to nothing, and it only puts actually BOTH sites to pools of shitstorm where noone wants to be around.

2. there is only one person who can say what is allowed here Magnus. By trying to position yourself to his place you manage to nearly confirm some Milly's statements. Its quite ironic that you want to lecture anyone what is not OK here, but by your behaviour here you have started what I know Steff never liked to see - a (public) flame war. Please, think about it before you respond. There are things called PMs.

[Magnus]

That's why I wrote explicit:

However that's my personal opinion, I'm not owner of Modcraft.

And telling opinions is one part why forum exists. As long as they are declared as personal opinion.


BTW: I also had different nice and long conversations with both of them. They both asked me for help. I shared my technical (and only technical) thoughts with them in a forum. There was no reason to react like that.

[Milly]

They both asked me for help. I shared my technical (and only technical) thoughts with them in a forum. There was no reason to react like that.

Well in that sense, technical thoughts are entirely logic. And logic lacks emotion. You said what you wanted to say, but did so in an emotionless and demanding way. Logos and Ethos are nothing without Pathos.

I can't make you understand the way I feel. But I'd at least ask that you respect it. I was offended, Skarn was offended, Axel was offended. Everyone was upset about it. It doesn't make us bad people.

[Amaroth]

That's why I wrote explicit:

However that's my personal opinion, I'm not owner of Modcraft.

And telling opinions is one part why forum exists. As long as they are declared as personal opinion.


BTW: I also had different nice and long conversations with both of them. They both asked me for help. I shared my technical (and only technical) thoughts with them in a forum. There was no reason to react like that.

It seems I have missed sentence you have quoted, my apologies. But most of my message still applies anyway.