[SHOWOFF] What Are You Working On

[spik96]

Thanks !

Look at the old and new character models (I checked with TaurenMale) : You would expect Attachments to look a bit like each other.
Nope. For a given Attachment, the new will have its (n,ofs) n=0 and the old will have n=1 pointing to an other (n,ofs) pointing to 1 thing : value of 1 and 1 timestamp of 0.
I think these are just two ways to mean "I want this attachment to always be visible" or something like that. The new method just avoid to store a useless value in the file, and this was implemented around LK.

Note : the first n in the Ablock can be 0, 1 or nAnimations. With bones at least, an n=1 always point to an other n=1 and means constant value across animations (the time is 0).

Speculation : If I was Blizzard and wanted to make a way to hide attachments, I would give an n = nAnimations and for each animation put (time,0) and (time,1) to signify I want to hide or show attached things at this particular point in time.

[schlumpf]

It seems that you are just talking about compression of animation blocks. Well, yes, some of them can be omitted and have default values then.

[schlumpf]

the flag indicates whether or not the attached models are animated. if nothing is given, it defaults to true.

http://wowdev.wiki/index.php?tit ... ldid=18703

[spiderwaseem]

Me and a developer have been working on a new Jinyu race for Anarchy-WoW and it's going good so far.
It's 95% done, here's a screenshot:



It has some good fin, skin, and face facials customizations too.

[stoneharry]

Me and a developer have been working on a new Jinyu race for Anarchy-WoW and it's going good so far.
It's 95% done, here's a screenshot:

...

Race looks good, char creation... less so. Mainly because it's yet another copy of my code with only swaps on the images instead of doing something that actually fits your server. Age old problem with the ME and Emu communities - neither seems to be able to cooperate. We get servers with good ME and zero custom code, and servers with lots of custom code and zero ME.

[spiderwaseem]

Me and a developer have been working on a new Jinyu race for Anarchy-WoW and it's going good so far.
It's 95% done, here's a screenshot:

...

Race looks good, char creation... less so. Mainly because it's yet another copy of my code with only swaps on the images instead of doing something that actually fits your server. Age old problem with the ME and Emu communities - neither seems to be able to cooperate. We get servers with good ME and zero custom code, and servers with lots of custom code and zero ME.

Stoneharry, I don't mean to say the following in an aggressive or mean way, so please read it normally.
The Character Creation code is Blizzard's code. If I'm correct, you made it compatible with WoTLK, and that's a great thing. But you didn't write the entire character creation screen from scratch, blizzard did.

My goal was to have the latest WoW Character Creation style, and you released a good working version (some issues, but they were intentional for your own uses). What I don't understand is what's wrong with using released content? I know it's not original, but they were a release. So what's the issue?

Also this is a 'What are you working on' section. I posted based on a new race, not the character creation screen. I know you most likely commented based on the character creation screen due to the Ac-Web posts. I may be wrong, but that's what my hunch is telling me.

Finally, my server doesn't have a lot of your code at all. Actually, only the character creation/selection screen is all that I have that is used from your code. Regarding the Demon Hunter class again, it's not your code at all. Believe me, it's me and Akriso's code. Edge of Chaos is great and I've played it, but this isn't from Edge of Chaos. I actually released this Demon Hunter before Edge of Chaos was released.

Again, please read all of the above in a normal tone.
I don't mean to sound aggressive, mean, or mad while typing... Because I'm not. ^^


Regards,
Deathorous.

[stoneharry]

Me and a developer have been working on a new Jinyu race for Anarchy-WoW and it's going good so far.
It's 95% done, here's a screenshot:

...

Race looks good, char creation... less so. Mainly because it's yet another copy of my code with only swaps on the images instead of doing something that actually fits your server. Age old problem with the ME and Emu communities - neither seems to be able to cooperate. We get servers with good ME and zero custom code, and servers with lots of custom code and zero ME.

Stoneharry, I don't mean to say the following in an aggressive or mean way, so please read it normally.
The Character Creation code is Blizzard's code. If I'm correct, you made it compatible with WoTLK, and that's a great thing. But you didn't write the entire character creation screen from scratch, blizzard did.

My goal was to have the latest WoW Character Creation style, and you released a good working version (some issues, but they were intentional for your own uses). What I don't understand is what's wrong with using released content? I know it's not original, but they were a release. So what's the issue?

Also this is a 'What are you working on' section. I posted based on a new race, not the character creation screen. I know you most likely commented based on the character creation screen due to the Ac-Web posts. I may be wrong, but that's what my hunch is telling me.

Finally, my server doesn't have a lot of your code at all. Actually, only the character creation/selection screen is all that I have that is used from your code.

Again, please read all of the above in a normal tone.
I don't mean to sound aggressive, mean, or mad while typing... Because I'm not. ^^


Regards,
Deathorous.

Well you don't know anything about programming so it is hard to describe why it is a lot of my work.

And I shared it is a share, not a release. To learn from.

I take issue in that now so many servers are just using it as a literal copy. It's not hard to modify it yet nobody has. It's sad.

Why can't people do something themselves for a change?

[spiderwaseem]

Well you don't know anything about programming so it is hard to describe why it is a lot of my work.

And I shared it is a share, not a release. To learn from.

I take issue in that now so many servers are just using it as a literal copy. It's not hard to modify it yet nobody has. It's sad.

Why can't people do something themselves for a change?

For your information, I do know good programming. And for the last time...
I'm NOT using your code for Demon Hunter!
Now stop saying what you don't know.

If you share, expect it to be used by others.
End of discussion.

Either reply about the Jinyu, someone else's post, or don't mention what I didn't post on this thread for.

[stoneharry]

Well you don't know anything about programming so it is hard to describe why it is a lot of my work.

And I shared it is a share, not a release. To learn from.

I take issue in that now so many servers are just using it as a literal copy. It's not hard to modify it yet nobody has. It's sad.

Why can't people do something themselves for a change?

For your information, I do know good programming. And for the last time...
I'm NOT using your code for Demon Hunter!
Now stop saying what you don't know.

If you share, expect it to be used by others.
End of discussion.

Either reply about the Jinyu, someone else's post, or don't mention what I didn't post on this thread for.

I replied about everything seen in the screenshot.

I am not talking about Demon Hunter.

I certainly can expect some form of respect. If you don't want to give it then all you do is damage the community. Still there are selfish people in all communities that ruin it for everyone. It's why we can't have nice things.

My problem is I gave it to learn from and to hopefully improve the community. Instead we get literal copies with image swaps because apparently that's all people can do. Then they claim it as their next amazing feature.

[spiderwaseem]

Well you don't know anything about programming so it is hard to describe why it is a lot of my work.

And I shared it is a share, not a release. To learn from.

I take issue in that now so many servers are just using it as a literal copy. It's not hard to modify it yet nobody has. It's sad.

Why can't people do something themselves for a change?

For your information, I do know good programming. And for the last time...
I'm NOT using your code for Demon Hunter!
Now stop saying what you don't know.

If you share, expect it to be used by others.
End of discussion.

Either reply about the Jinyu, someone else's post, or don't mention what I didn't post on this thread for.

I replied about everything seen in the screenshot.

I am not talking about Demon Hunter.

I certainly can expect some form of respect. If you don't want to give it then all you do is damage the community. Still there are selfish people in all communities that ruin it for everyone. It's why we can't have nice things.

My problem is I gave it to learn from and to hopefully improve the community. Instead we get literal copies with image swaps because apparently that's all people can do. Then they claim it as their next amazing feature.

I understand your purpose for the share.
And I mean to be respectful, however, I must say the same to you.
How are you being respectful to me when your saying that my server or it's content is 0% of me, and is all you or saying that most are?
That is disrespectful to me. Also saying that I have no programing skills when you can obviously see I'm trying to run a server?
Again, I take that has a huge disrespect. Therefore, you are also damaging the community.

[Krang Stonehoof]

Me and a developer have been working on a new Jinyu race for Anarchy-WoW and it's going good so far.
It's 95% done, here's a screenshot:

...

Race looks good, char creation... less so. Mainly because it's yet another copy of my code with only swaps on the images instead of doing something that actually fits your server. Age old problem with the ME and Emu communities - neither seems to be able to cooperate. We get servers with good ME and zero custom code, and servers with lots of custom code and zero ME.

Stoneharry, I don't mean to say the following in an aggressive or mean way, so please read it normally.
The Character Creation code is Blizzard's code. If I'm correct, you made it compatible with WoTLK, and that's a great thing. But you didn't write the entire character creation screen from scratch, blizzard did.

My goal was to have the latest WoW Character Creation style, and you released a good working version (some issues, but they were intentional for your own uses). What I don't understand is what's wrong with using released content? I know it's not original, but they were a release. So what's the issue?

Also this is a 'What are you working on' section. I posted based on a new race, not the character creation screen. I know you most likely commented based on the character creation screen due to the Ac-Web posts. I may be wrong, but that's what my hunch is telling me.

Finally, my server doesn't have a lot of your code at all. Actually, only the character creation/selection screen is all that I have that is used from your code.

Again, please read all of the above in a normal tone.
I don't mean to sound aggressive, mean, or mad while typing... Because I'm not. ^^


Regards,
Deathorous.

Well you don't know anything about programming so it is hard to describe why it is a lot of my work.

And I shared it is a share, not a release. To learn from.

I take issue in that now so many servers are just using it as a literal copy. It's not hard to modify it yet nobody has. It's sad.

Why can't people do something themselves for a change?

It's actually because most people are not looking to learn something new but instead to get their server running. As you can see most people just take stuff from here, from there, from other forums and so on, throw them into their server and ta-daa, full custom server with great unique never-seen before features.

It's indeed, sad, but nobody can be arsed to learn new things.

[stoneharry]

Not a lot of people posting in here at the moment so I thought I'd show some early stuff I am working on:

[Krang Stonehoof]

Not a lot of people posting in here at the moment so I thought I'd show some early stuff I am working on:

It looks good!

[Method]

Why can't people do something themselves for a change?

It's actually because most people are not looking to learn something new but instead to get their server running. As you can see most people just take stuff from here, from there, from other forums and so on, throw them into their server and ta-daa, full custom server with great unique never-seen before features.

It's indeed, sad, but nobody can be arsed to learn new things.

Just for the record here, kinda wanted to chip in my two cents, I agree, but I'd just like to point out WHY this actually happens.

A lot of the developers on Modcraft, Ownedcore and Ac-web that are actually REALLY good at what they develop by themselves rarely write any guides, tutorials or documentation for their work. I'm not saying that's true of "Every single" developer, but it happens a lot.

What I'm saying is; the vast majority of content posted here on Modcraft, Ownedcore or Ac-Web has very little context attached with it. I'd go as far as to say, A 'Release' is like a Code-dump on StackOverflow, it's a piece of content that people can use (steal) with no context attached.

And, How can you possibly effectively use and learn from content, nevermind, understand the context of content if none is given? You may say 'General programming/etc/etc knowledge' and that's fine, but for the majority of noob modders they don't have this same experience as some of the veterans on here.

The prime reason why Veteran Developers don't want to share content is because developers don't want noobs stealing their content and refactoring it. and that definitely happens, So let's analyse that problem logcially, we have a bunch of morons in the model swapping section of Ownedcore asking for free swaps. And you know what?  I'm certain MOST of those people would simply VANISH or someone would APPEAR to post solutions for them if there actually were just 'a few' decent guides available that were kept up to date and kept up to current practice.

How can anyone seriously expect people to learn new things and try things out for themselves (even simple, basic things in an experts eyes) when there are no good entry point tutorials or guides? We are progressive, but nowhere near enough. Modcraft has plenty of worldbuilding guides, but not so much on cinematic creation, quest designing, mob pathing, custom models, DBC editing,  porting or other important content creation.

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The crux of my point here, is that, not every noob modder has the time to strip back WoW by themselves and figure it out by themselves, and logically, it doesn't even make sense for people to really do this in 2015, when the wheel has already been established for almost a decade. I'm not saying there should be an 'engine' but some serious wealth of textual walkthrough would seriously help our community as a whole, we'd get waves of new curious modders trying their own hand.

If I've learnt anything from the Modcraft community, it's that very skilled individuals will take and have took the time to learn to craft unique things, and these people are the pillars of our community, we have awesome stuff like Fallout models ported into WoW, water shaders in 3.3.5, backporting of everything from weapons to entire zones, custom world objects. but are there any guides, for any of this? Not really.

There is no shared library, and no common goal, it's all solo developers in their own corners doing their own thing and showing their albeit awesome custom content when they have the time whilst giving zero context.

In short, we need less 'release' more 'guide'

less 'hand out' more 'learn it from me'

[Method]

I'm bringing Warlord of Draenor Character models into WoW Vanilla 1.12.
Am I insane ?


Textures should be fixed, now I just have to start the DBC editing (and given I never edited DBC before, it's gonna be a lot of fun x) ! I think there was a tutorial for 3.3.5 models explaining how to edit the DBC files to make models work, I'm trying to find it but so far no success.

Spik this really is some awesome stuff, really glad you're working on stuff like this, 1.12.1 is my preferred patch.

Like I said above, if you could post guides or something on how you're doing this would be awesome, I'd love to potentially share some of the workload.