Concept Map for next project.

[[G]hositt]

I've been working all day on preparing my concept map, now i'm going to take a break, but this is how far I got with it:



It's scaled properly so each square represents an ADT, however I might form  the wdt so I won't have nearly as much water xD, and credits to franc for helping me with my grid xD <3

Oh and it is scaled quite large, so you might not be able to read the info box up in the corner but I guess you'll survive

[Jack]

You and how many legions of worldbuilders will be working on this?

[Steff]

It whould be a wonder if you get this done. Why not create some ground for Maruum?

[ToyokaX]

That's a lot of ADTs I can't imagine how big the folder your keeping all the adt files are in, will be  :lol:

[[G]hositt]

It whould be a wonder if you get this done. Why not create some ground for Maruum?

Why should I?

[Jack]

Probably because one reason why this modding scene fails more than a blind person in drawing a picture is that people are selfish, ignorant, epically unskilled and overstrain themselves in dimensions sane persons cannot even grasp.

A statistic I really like bringing forward the last weeks is the following:
There have been around 50-100 projects like this started, with all this giant content and epic shit and whatnot, yet there have been 0 (zero) finished.

While the ratio of project failures is indeed mathematically defined (it's also 0) I am more and more thinking that the stupidity of the people neither noticing nor trying to change this ratio probably isn't in fact mathematically defined.

[ToyokaX]

Indeed, I also noticed recently, while surfing on ModDB that more than half of all mods were never released (thus unfinished) so this goes far beyond just WoW editing, it's a universal habbit amongst "modders" in general, where only a moderate few manage to break.

[[G]hositt]

And exactly this is the reason for that.


Manners


mind them, and people will help out, untill then. I'll work alone. Afterall I'm not getting paid for anything, so i'm actually free to do exactly what I want

Modding a game isn't as much a prestige job as making an actual game, so raging because there is no completely modded versions of wow, is more childish then crying over the loss of an icecream.

[schlumpf]

BUT MAH ICECREAM!










This might look like a nice idea, my son, but seeing that this is about as big as about 1200 ADTs being more than one Blizzard continent.. Even with WoWEdit, this would be a task of at least a few months in a team. Alone, you may need years and won't finish but end up redoing half of the ADTs thousand times due to tools fucking up. But hey, have fun. Moar to laugh about.

[Jack]

hositt"]
Modding a game isn't as much a prestige job as making an actual game, so raging because there is no completely modded versions of wow, is more childish then crying over the loss of an icecream.

I don't really like the tone you're adressing here but since I'm a master of it I'll happily follow along.

Childish?  :udumb: Golly, your brain must be in a lot of agony thinking of such humongous bullshit. You can't just throw a bunch of words together hoping they're giving any sense, no, that's not how it works.
No seriously, talking about childish: bragging about "omg wow looks at mez I'm gonna do aaaaaaall this kewl stuffz!!1" and then implying in a post following shortly after that you're never going to finish it and that there's nothing bad about it....don't you think that's a bit childish? Nay, I dare to say it: moron-ish? Or do I really have to use the word "attention whore" in that case?
Let me give you another example, one that does not involve yourself, maybe then you'll understand the dimensions of your ignorance:
It's as if I would say my next project is building a space ship. Real size, fully functional.
Even though I possess advanced technical knowledge and the intelligence to actually being able to work myself into the matter within the next decades of years, every sane person will reply "You're an idiot/ignorant/overextending yourself/attention whore" (you choose) -with what they're absoluetly right. It will only be a waste of time and there is absolutely no chance I will finish it, especially on my own. See the analogy?

Back to a more normal tone then:

We gave you advice, because of the many failures we have seen and even been part of, we can speak out of experience and we just assumed you would maybe actually want to achieve something rather than just being all talk.
All you did was acting like a smart-ass with absolutely no dedication.

If you rather want to play baby-levels please go to other forums, maybe there you will gain the admiration you "deserve" by 12-year olds unable to properly judge with absolutely no sense of artisimal consience.

You're here with mostly adults -with probably more experience and skill- so you better start behaving yourself and acting accordingly (including no more lists of oh-so-great stuff you're never going to finish - act rational, be realistic about what you're doing).

We don't have to continue this discussion the way it's heading, but if you want to it will have been your descision.
You may also start living up to a bit higher standards and be well welcome in this community.

[[G]hositt]

hositt"]
Modding a game isn't as much a prestige job as making an actual game, so raging because there is no completely modded versions of wow, is more childish then crying over the loss of an icecream.

I don't really like the tone you're adressing here but since I'm a master of it I'll happily follow along.

Childish?  :udumb: Golly, your brain must be in a lot of agony thinking of such humongous bullshit. You can't just throw a bunch of words together hoping they're giving any sense, no, that's not how it works.
No seriously, talking about childish: bragging about "omg wow looks at mez I'm gonna do aaaaaaall this kewl stuffz!!1" and then implying in a post following shortly after that you're never going to finish it and that there's nothing bad about it....don't you think that's a bit childish? Nay, I dare to say it: moron-ish? Or do I really have to use the word "attention whore" in that case?
Let me give you another example, one that does not involve yourself, maybe then you'll understand the dimensions of your ignorance:
It's as if I would say my next project is building a space ship. Real size, fully functional.
Even though I possess advanced technical knowledge and the intelligence to actually being able to work myself into the matter within the next decades of years, every sane person will reply "You're an idiot/ignorant/overextending yourself/attention whore" (you choose) -with what they're absoluetly right. It will only be a waste of time and there is absolutely no chance I will finish it, especially on my own. See the analogy?

Back to a more normal tone then:

We gave you advice, because of the many failures we have seen and even been part of, we can speak out of experience and we just assumed you would maybe actually want to achieve something rather than just being all talk.
All you did was acting like a smart-ass with absolutely no dedication.

If you rather want to play baby-levels please go to other forums, maybe there you will gain the admiration you "deserve" by 12-year olds unable to properly judge with absolutely no sense of artisimal consience.

You're here with mostly adults -with probably more experience and skill- so you better start behaving yourself and acting accordingly (including no more lists of oh-so-great stuff you're never going to finish - act rational, be realistic about what you're doing).

We don't have to continue this discussion the way it's heading, but if you want to it will have been your descision.
You may also start living up to a bit higher standards and be well welcome in this community.

Sorry, I have to question your ability to actually read.

As I said: I build what I like, I don't care if I finish it or not - as i'm not getting paid.
I plan enough content so that I'll only have to build. Now I don't see a single problem with it, but apparently you seem very very very butthurt because I plan more than you can comprehend.

But yes, that is indeed mature to rage about. *Double Facepalm*

PS: slumf, that is quite epic XD

[Steff]

Its ok if you only build stuff for fun and feel ok to put it in trash if you lost motivation.
I develop on noggit to see some day realized a working new world based on the wow engine and I am frustrated that all guys that realy have some skills in doing it only work for fun or for their ego, waht leads in many big planed projects from singel persons with no result.

I can´t dictate you what you do, but think about that somedays perhaps no tools will be developed becaus the devs think that it is not worth for a community that don´t create something with it.

But as you are not the only one that thinks so, its no problem you have to care about.

Ps: I also get not paid in developing

[[G]hositt]

Its ok if you only build stuff for fun and feel ok to put it in trash if you lost motivation.
I develop on noggit to see some day realized a working new world based on the wow engine and I am frustrated that all guys that realy have some skills in doing it only work for fun or for their ego, waht leads in many big planed projects from singel persons with no result.

I can´t dictate you what you do, but think about that somedays perhaps no tools will be developed becaus the devs think that it is not worth for a community that don´t create something with it.

But as you are not the only one that thinks so, its no problem you have to care about.

Ps: I also get not paid in developing

Yeah I am sorry the way I said no But yeah I prefer not - and with these wars between model editors, It won't happen in any near future, that a project of a scale bigger then 10 adt's and 5 npc's will appear, well apart from sirfranc's server which is a pretty badass project, but not 100% custom

I for now, enjoy your effort in the programs etc, but I just can't find the motivation to work for people who's been hating on me ever since I started The only person I'd really work for, would be sirfranc. Mostly due to personal reason good luck with maruum though

[SirFranc]

It may look off topic but somebody knows what level Rattatta evolves?



On the serious side, while i'm encouraging amanda to do her job, which is her own, and if she wants to do it, she's free to, i do not encourage presenting it as a professional project before having actually a good deal of work done (not one region, i talk about at least 40-50% of the work) which is the rule i usually follow myself (notice i never posted stuff that "was going to be" except for my very first edit and was anyway 10 adt of new land xD)

Why? because it's fair, creating expectation of a work is good, so far the expectation is about something real. Also to crush this myth of Modcraft being elitist douches : many experienced users here tried for ages to help noobs to improve and develop, and guess what? most of those noobs as soon as learned (the few that were dedicated that small) took their stuff and did their own project, thinking that knowing how to use noggit = skill an dedication to make a new world.

Before you address me as one of them, there is a reason because i use old content, because i know i'm not able to make a brand new world from scratch, nor i have the will to (useless to do all that work using wow engine, you can't get any money for it, if i have to make my own world i'd rather make my own MMO)

Stated that is not possible to make a whole new world alone, and would take years, you're free to attempt it, but it's not that useless to show a thing you're *maybe* going to do

Besides, flaming her it's not fair either, because there are many other people that post projects that are even more noobish and done by noobs that didn't got flamed, while Amanda is a good model editor, she has a lot of skill when it comes to make landscape.

That's my humble opinion

[[G]hositt]

hositt"]

It may look off topic but somebody knows what level Rattatta evolves?



On the serious side, while i'm encouraging amanda to do her job, which is her own, and if she wants to do it, she's free to, i do not encourage presenting it as a professional project before having actually a good deal of work done (not one region, i talk about at least 40-50% of the work) which is the rule i usually follow myself (notice i never posted stuff that "was going to be" except for my very first edit and was anyway 10 adt of new land xD)

Why? because it's fair, creating expectation of a work is good, so far the expectation is about something real. Also to crush this myth of Modcraft being elitist douches : many experienced users here tried for ages to help noobs to improve and develop, and guess what? most of those noobs as soon as learned (the few that were dedicated that small) took their stuff and did their own project, thinking that knowing how to use noggit = skill an dedication to make a new world.

Before you address me as one of them, there is a reason because i use old content, because i know i'm not able to make a brand new world from scratch, nor i have the will to (useless to do all that work using wow engine, you can't get any money for it, if i have to make my own world i'd rather make my own MMO)

Stated that is not possible to make a whole new world alone, and would take years, you're free to attempt it, but it's not that useless to show a thing you're *maybe* going to do

Besides, flaming her it's not fair either, because there are many other people that post projects that are even more noobish and done by noobs that didn't got flamed, while Amanda is a good model editor, she has a lot of skill when it comes to make landscape.

That's my humble opinion

LEVEL 18
PS: I like how you guys flame about the fact I made the map, and you don't even flame that west and east are misplaced.. HAHAHAHAHAHA