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Community => Random => Topic started by: darkleen on May 16, 2012, 09:37:25 pm
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I know that it would be a lot of work but i want to ask if a Chang a lot of the zone race class and npc would it be copyright or is it legal i want to ask blizzard.
about this but i want to ask you guy fist i know it a lot of work for one man to day because of how big wow is and going to take for 3-4 years to done but it would be a lot of fun if i can do it i would Chang all zone to
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Nothing is impossible.
But its rather unlikely that you will sucess...
And introducing fullstops in you sentences would help the readability ;)
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i am sorry but that so would it be legal for me to do this ? O_o
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No, of course not.
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lol- and whats the point? o_O
Make a better mmorpg, and if it must be mmorpg, hero engine is better in my opinion or perhaps unity.
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lol- and whats the point? o_O
Make a better mmorpg, and if it must be mmorpg, hero engine is better in my opinion or perhaps unity.
the newest UDK engine is far ahead of unity.. Far.. Ahead.
Unity is strongest in indie games..
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i want to ask blizzard.
Blizzard says: No.
They will say it to everything, if you don't got a million behind you. Same like Nintendo, etc, etc.
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'sigh' well thx guy for all your help :)
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I tried to start an MMO Engine project now for 10 years. Just an opne source thing that provide an engine with server client editors and management website. You should be able to creat the game only with content creation, Editor and scripting for UI. But you won´t find people to do it because they are
1. incapable to do it and have motivation
2. Are capable to do it and have NO motivation or
3. The are capable think that it is a good idea but loose fun in it after some days/weeks and you are alone again.
I will start it alone some day if I think that I am able to do it but till then it will stay a dream for me.
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I found unity easier to use mainly because its set up for mass multiplay. As Udk is not, it was just inconvenient. By all means though, this can be fixed.. My person preference to game engine is definitely hero engine.
My project partner has been making his game engine by himself for 5 years.. lol
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hero engine dont look bad and 99 bugs a year is cheaper then paying a server :) The question is if you creat a game and dont take money. Is that ok for them ;)
What i talk about is an full opne source project. They can code OS systems so why not an MMO engine.
And we could use many finished stuff out there. Also a binded community to share models and ex whould be nice like modcraft.
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I think a big problem in software development, especially online, is that people won't share their source. If everyone worked together, huge things could be done. But simply nobody wants to -.-
We have been trying to back engineer swtor for a while, but its impossible to find contributors nowadays. So it is taking a much longer time than anyone hoped. Same with skyrim online. :(
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I think, there a lots of people, wanting to share their work -
but not those, who actually are skilled and trained.
I think, an open-source MMO-Engine (with tools etc), would be f**cking great in many ways, but there are also some things why I think, this would not work without a good concept (how to show people easily how to make new things, etc). But this wouldn't fit to the topic here, but also very interesting (: (who wants to open a new topic? : D)
If someone wants to work on such a thing, it will take a lot of time and concentration on it, it will be a part of your life, maybe, one of the biggest parts (just, to be sure that the motivation is kept up ^^), so you have to think a lot about it.
I'm not sure, if I wanted to "give my life up" for an open source mmo engine, but, nevertheless...
...it would be fecking awesome (;
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I think, there a lots of people, wanting to share their work - but not those, who actually are skilled and trained.
Enough said.
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I think, there a lots of people, wanting to share their work - but not those, who actually are skilled and trained.
Enough said.
It's like the fact, that less rich people want to share their money, instead of semi-poor people.
That's why I hate most rich and most skilled people.
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That's why I hate most rich and most skilled people.
Rather, only the dumbfucks come up with stupid ideas no semi skilled one would ever think of.
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Since you use another engine and NOT copy the entire game IDENTICAL on it is perfectly legal. All you have to do is retexture ALL of the game terrains, characters, everything, rename spells and some change them a bit like icons and colors etc because ALL of these are propriety of Blizzard.
My advice is to rename locations, remodel the world maps in a realistic look, remodel characters in a realistic looks, entire armors, weapons , mounts, pets, NPCs, mobs etc then repack them in a new game.
There are also "world of Lordcraft" game wich copy pasted all names locations and characters, loads of wow clones that used even same engine and nothing happened.
If you want your dream comes true just recreeate wow game usning UDK but entirely change graphics and maps in realistic style ultra polished graphics and that will be ANOTHER game. Don't make any character look exactly like wow's characters, NPCs and mobs. Do that with terrain buildings and objects too and that is. You can keep character animations, spells since they are used in thousands game too.
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I think, there a lots of people, wanting to share their work - but not those, who actually are skilled and trained.
Enough said.
It's like the fact, that less rich people want to share their money, instead of semi-poor people.
That's why I hate most rich and most skilled people.
You hate skilled people because they don't feed you with content? You hate rich people because they don't feed you with money?
Here is a nice note.. Everyone worked hard to earn what they've achieved, Just because you're rich, or skilled.. Doesn't mean you're an asshole for not sharing.. It's such bullshit when poor people are raging that rich people doesn't feed them with money.. Socialism is such bullshit, when it comes to "everyone must share" .. It's not like poor people.. Or people who're terrible, are sharing anything of use.. except for the hatred they have when they are not spoonfed.
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Excuse me, what are we talking about here? Retexturing and trying remake sort of wow on UDK or about ritch and skilled people?
Seriously...
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actually, udk - it's pack of tools for editing unreal 3 engine.
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I digged on internet and i found these movies about some wow and UDK...superb results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T97M5GSfHI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T97M5GSfHI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
even some gameplay testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8je908mLjB8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8je908mLjB8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
also i found something about the meshes used on cinematics, i think they can be supported in UDK verry well aswell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUAni7vn87E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUAni7vn87E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
someone with enough skills in 3ds max can easyly make them i think.
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someone with enough skills in 3ds max can easyly make them i think.
;)
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thank you ever must i love you :)
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@Hmmm: Those videos are from World of Whorecraft, aren't they? *g*
It's kinda funny and poor, that most motivation seems to be found in porn, etc.
Those guys are skilled (as far as i can see it) and just used very few parts from wow. Most models are changed, they have a lot of custom animations, etc, etc.
Finally I think, you can use the "style" of wow, but there have to be redone so much, that it's like making a new game. I would understand this wish of keeping the WoW-World, just making it look better, but if you change names, locations, etc. it's not the WoW-World so... I don't get it at all.
btw. I don't know if anyone already said it: the udk-engine is only for singleplayer free. The shown game is also just singleplayer. For the network-things you have to spend a lot of money.
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(Din't read all..) but... do u know?
http://annayseult.blogspot.de/?zx=422dfe9acf021abc (http://annayseult.blogspot.de/?zx=422dfe9acf021abc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Sry for this Link, its not for people over 16/18 but its the point of this topic.
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I heard the netcode was expensive.. but I know so little about programming that I can't even comprehend starting with java.. just saying.
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(Din't read all..) but... do u know?
http://annayseult.blogspot.de/?zx=422dfe9acf021abc (http://annayseult.blogspot.de/?zx=422dfe9acf021abc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Sry for this Link, its not for people over 16/18 but its the point of this topic.
Nude wow, that's crazy lol:)) Howevery, i tought it was about making and RPGmmo with same gameplay and stuff and your link proves that is verry possible making it in a way more polished graphics and styles without blizzard can claim anything.
Threre are also some mmos that runs on unreal engine with same gameplay, same controls and almost same interface as wow has. Check Priston Tale 2, verry similar as wow, the difference are just characters ,the world and ofc the graphics styles and graphics. It was also Elligium, more appropiate but it was shutted down because they launched tera and all players were transfered there.
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Dont forget, this are not all just hobby scripters like notch.
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Yes but a MMO is the biggest thing you can code. And the most good developers dont even take you seriouse if you ask in this way. Its not possible and start wih tetris is the answer :)
In basic the are right and ther are so many dreamers that just start and never ger something done. And if the get something working then where to get content for it.
A started in 2007 the try to make the for me only working thing. A mmo Framework wher you could (like with wow modding) creat your mmo only with scripting and content creations. It should include the server component for login, realms, reagion balancer, update server to deliver updates in the background during play. The client and a editor framework where you can creat and import all the stuff you need. Interface, game logic, game environment and so on.
This is much work and will not be possible to get done by one (perhaps if he is very skilled and have much time and unsopable motivation). And to get a good team running the people out there wont start if you have nothing to show. And i think such a project mus be planed god from start to get it fit in all parts.
In the end it should be like the wow environment but with good editors and not so much chained to the wow game logic.
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coping entire interface, terrains, objects, mechanics, characters, mobs, Npcs, etc, practically entire game as it is and then remodeling terrain, characters NPCs, etc with another more polished styles and graphics can be indeed a huge work but it works with some code modifications.
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And its useless. Most people play AND stay not because better GFX. Its the game content. And the old content is overplayed i think. Better whould be to create new stuff. What we btw also do with some projects.
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someone with enough skills in 3ds max can easyly make them i think.
Even if making a model is easy, making enough models, textures, and animations for an mmorpg is a lot of work.
And just people may have the skill to do something doesn't mean they have the time to do it, when they also need to worry about eating and not living in a cardboard box.
When you come home from a long day at a shitty job, you just don't always feel like creating free content for someone else's clone of a game you don't even like anymore.
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You are more than right BUT think there are alot of people who quitted wow just because of dated graphics and styles...not to mention the expansions wich ruined the game completly.
Remaking the game for them can bring some donations or even subscriptions that can compensate the time invested to recreeate the game as they like.
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Yes and they have a ton of other games the can play. Why should one code something for free that will tokk him a livetime. If then a framework everyone can build his game up. Everything else is time waste.
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I left wow 3 years ago now after 4 years of hardcore play. Since then i have to admit that i tried almost all mmos on the market and never found something adictive like wow was and that just because vanilla' gameplay, nothing else. My main reason i left was bad style and dated graphics followed by expansions that made game really stupid and pointless.
I bet there are maybe millions of guys like me who will pay to play again maybe for years some kind of vanilla wow with HUGE improved styles and graphics.
I played Priston Tale 2 just for graphics and i was amazed but i left it because of bad gameplay.
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I for my part stayed in wow because of the people that played it. I even liked the old graphics, because they look cute. :)
It always reminded me of playing wc3 just... nearer to the ground. Well maybe my taste in graphics is odd... ^^
I left wow because most of the people I liked to play with went away and only the idiots seemed to stay.
Also the constant nerfing of everything made it worse. When I started an epic item was ... well epic. When I quit everybody bought their epics from vendors like I bought water in vanilla.
And the story of warcraft in general is pretty awesome. :) I loved the novels and how everything is intertwined. Now blizz seems to just slay every single villain (which most had a tragic and long past which I loved to read and mostly could unerstand) there is. When they announced Illidan would be a killable Boss I thought the lore would die. And well... for me it kinda did. I always felt the alliance and horde where the bad guys. XD
That's because I liked the idea of maruum. I never had a problem with the old wrath graphics. But the idea of a fantasy world created by nice community was (andstill is) very appealing. And of cause the story telling and the masses of possibilities that come with all warcraft lore being deleted (As much as I love that lore).
I would even love the idea if it was with super nintendo graphics. ;) Preferably secret of mana 3. ;P
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I have to agree with Morfium at most parts.
The grafics are... not very nice, but it's kinda "timeless style". Maybe, cause i played it so long. The things I miss are the people too. You had to talk to people for going in an instance, etc. But this is just the old discussion about vanilla-wow (:
One thing I really, REALLY hate about wow is, that it's very static. Static animations, the whole fight-system, you can't move/change anything in the world, collision, etc. The more I know about WoW and its engine, the less it feels like a real world. And once seen dynamic animations, etc. in games like mount and blade or overgrowth, and you get a little sad looking at wow :/
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Now, let's be mature, if there will be a vanilla with same gameplay but with graphics from cinematics, will you play it again? For me the answer is YES, i want to have same feeling of playing, even same controls and anymations if my character, mounts and items wil have an extreme polished look like in cinematics. Or...if stormwind can have these graphics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RruYNT0vM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RruYNT0vM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
oops i meant these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se-sNmWuw3Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se-sNmWuw3Y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
and ofc, i preffer to pay monthly subscription for that.
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That's because I liked the idea of maruum.
The problem with Maruum is that many people like the problem but the most dont just join or help.
I do much ingame tours with people and most times the love it and want to help but I never nere something after this walktrue. There are exceptions but not much.
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I also like his ideea BUT he is using the same engine, styles and graphics so is not big difference, is same as a new expansion, since Mists of Pandaria is comming, there is no point losing time makeing another one by the fans.
I appreciate his work a lot but since there is nothing changed in the game beside the world i see no point in makeing it. Instead doing that he can just import entire wow on UT engine and change the look, that can be something interesting.
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I don't know if this was stated already I didn't read everything.
But udk does not support mmo developement without atlas. or some sort of modding with genisis