Shame on Model Editing

[Hypnotoad]

Just wanna post my input to the whole situation.
This thread is really starting to grind my gears, to be honest.

I've been around MMOwned for a pretty long time, though I haven't made a name for myself, I've seen a lot. I've seen AZO's awesome edits when Noggit was only limited to 1.12, (However, these edits are pretty much obsolete compared to the present, still awesome, however), and ~SinX's attempts at bringing a some 'art' back into the 2.4. (Good edits; but once again, obsolete). Present day; SirFranc is one of the FEW good modeleditors remaining (I don't want to make a list to make people feel excluded, but there are a majority on MMOwned, and here.) and as one of the few remaining, he is looked up to as a 'legend' per se . As said by SirFranc, I'm sure anyone would be pissed if their edits would be released to the public including myself.(May I remind you, when stuff is released to the public, it loses most if not all of its true meaning).
What I'm trying to say is that people shouldn't go around taking other people work to get credit. It's immoral and wrong. and to clear up another little problem, SirFranc (as well as others) only release screenshots of their work to hype up the community, to get support with the project, and to get some feedback, whether it be positive, or negative. I really don't believe KuR was in the right when he said the things he said, hell, tbh, I never really liked the admins on MMOwned, Ket being excluded, as I never really hated him.


One last thing to be learned here though, while people like SirFranc are using these 'User-made' tools like Noggit and Taliis, the creators of the tools usually get little to no credit, in fact, without them, Worldbuilding would cease to exist in its current form. However, a message to Schumpf, without Cryect, your program would be nowhere.

[schlumpf]

However, a message to Schumpf, without Cryect, your program would be nowhere.

Without Cryect this whole community would not exist.
Without ObscuR, Z., DG., linghuye etc. this whole scene would not exist. Not at all.

[Keta]

However, a message to Schumpf, without Cryect, your program would be nowhere.

Without Cryect this whole community would not exist.
Without ObscuR, Z., DG., linghuye etc. this whole scene would not exist. Not at all.

Hm... Point taken Schlumpf...

@OnTopic: Yes, I agree with pretty much everyone here. It IS fcking annoying seeing your stuff being ripped by people who thinks they are "oh so good". And yes, I agree with TheBug regarding MMOwned's reputation system. I don't consider myself a 'good' Model Editor, I consider myself decent. And despite my continues sharing and releasing of world builds, treepath editings, reskins, model swapping, etc. I am still considered "not important" on MMOwned by some people. That is, partly, because people forget to rep when liking stuff, and partly just because they think they are god, because they are higher ranked than me. This is really pissing me off. I have pretty much left MMOwned too, and now sticks to this forum.
Last thing I have to say is, lets try and keep this forum on a low profile. I mean, try not to get too many none-ME'ers on it. Its just going to be another leeching-fest. That said, I believe I have expressed myself fully. And Franc? Keep the good work up, will ya? We all love you, don't let yourself go down because a few idiots can't make their own stuff x)

Thanks
Keta

[Steff]

We started this form bacaus of this points. To creat an alternative home for real worldbuilders.
If me guys will get here and start to bug we will delete them.

The real problem i see in the WoW modding community is that it dont happend that many guys can hold together, start a project togehter and work all on it without on standing behind and push sometimes his boot into some asses

To mod WoW is a realy big and great taks. And as the most do this beside all the other stuff we have to do called life, time is sometimes a problem. I am now for over 3 years active in this szene and i never seen some finished work


Do you think that this will happen someday?
What do you think could we do to make it happen?
What do you think can you do to make it happen?


Thats why I started marum to create an open for all project to bring some manpower togehter. But this also did not work I tink. Some guys said they will do something but never send some finished or even started stuff that I could add to the server.
 
So how we could handel this?

[TheBuG]

We started this form bacaus of this points. To creat an alternative home for real worldbuilders.
If me guys will get here and start to bug we will delete them.

The real problem i see in the WoW modding community is that it dont happend that many guys can hold together, start a project togehter and work all on it without on standing behind and push sometimes his boot into some asses

To mod WoW is a realy big and great taks. And as the most do this beside all the other stuff we have to do called life, time is sometimes a problem. I am now for over 3 years active in this szene and i never seen some finished work


Do you think that this will happen someday?
What do you think could we do to make it happen?
What do you think can you do to make it happen?


Thats why I started marum to create an open for all project to bring some manpower togehter. But this also did not work I tink. Some guys said they will do something but never send some finished or even started stuff that I could add to the server.
 
So how we could handel this?

What I personally think would work best is to start with edits of Blizzard's content, and work on a custom continent besides that. SirFranc's work attracts a lot of interested people for example. This way you'll have playable edits already for people, meanwhile you might attract people who want to work on a custom continent meanwhile. While adding races, classes and lore. This way you might be able to release it and in the end just dump Blizz's content. But this way you keep people satisfied and I believe if you see people enjoying your own content (even if it's just edits of Blizz's content) it's quite some motivation to keep going.

[Steff]

For me this is no option.  (I dont like the wow story and it is illegal to provide a server with blizzard content on it. I am not young enough to take such risk )

But other people also start on it and dont get it done so fare. Franc and Eluos work could be the first that realy will see a running server

[phucko1]

Sad to read this Franc, I used to play on your server but I decided not to play due to my low anger management (I were Artimus Devaneaux) and your work is pretty much what made me try model editing Anyway hope that CoA will contiune forward I am still visiting the forums sometimes.

May comeback when everyone have forgot about me :S

[SirFranc]

Sad to read this Franc, I used to play on your server but I decided not to play due to my low anger management (I were Artimus Devaneaux) and your work is pretty much what made me try model editing Anyway hope that CoA will contiune forward I am still visiting the forums sometimes.

May comeback when everyone have forgot about me :S

And you managed to manage your anger too

[Frequentic]

This is so sad, sometimes I'd just like to strangulate leechers, or well for the most time actually.

I'm practicing for creating wonderful world buildings but it's hard without the knowledge, especially when there's always some sort of program that stops working correctly for me. Just as a example today I spent 3 hours getting Noggit working and Taliis is still bugging with the objects.

I'd like to know what those leechers are thinking when they're leaking content they've in no way been creating. I would for sure feel ashamed, knowing that I stole this from someone else - especially when it's from a server that's in development.

I wish you good luck with withdrawing those threads, and so far I have realised that the only secure place to release things i here at modcraft.

Thank you for sharing this with us.