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[QUESTION] Parse Noggit worlds to Wow
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Keta:
Hey everyone.
Now, this might mainly be a question to all C++ devs, but anyone in general are welcome to try and make this. Now my question is, would it be possible for someone to make a program (maybe a small batchfile) that can load the world you are making in Noggit, and parse the entire thing into Wow, while running? So Wow will instead of loading the map from the MPQs, it would load the maps from the RAMs. The maps that you're building in Noggit.
Which (if I'm correct? Dunno, never really done any C++ developing) would make it possible to instantly view your builds IN WOW, as from a players perspective, while you're building in Noggit.
Sorta like this: (at 1:14)
[youtube:3suey4mm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqc9EP7_56s[/youtube:3suey4mm]
Hopefully you'll get what I mean.
Now I don't expect it to look ANYWHERE near as fancy as that :P But I mean, if we know Wow reads ADTs, it shouldn't be so hard to make a Wow that can load from ADTs in the rams, instead of from the MPQs? x)
Just an idea :P Hopefully you'll consider it :)
Thanks
Keta
schlumpf:
Actually, people even had that idea before it made it into Wowedit. The problem is: As everything we do is only based on reverse engineering, its a major pain in the ass, doing stuff like this.
Of course, its possible from the technical perspective. It would just be way too much work to do.
Also, sadly, live edit streaming code is not available in Cataclysm release builds.
This would force us to first reverse engineer everything related to rendering, loading and managing files. Then write some magic thing that does synchronization between noggit and wow. As the structures used in the engine actually differ from the ones in the files, this would also need conversion from the noggit structures to files to engine structures.
All of that without being able to modify a single line of Wow without having pain.
Its too much pain from my perspective. I tried around with it a bit and did not feel like its worth investigating more.
TheBuG:
--- Quote from: "schlumpf" ---Actually, people even had that idea before it made it into Wowedit. The problem is: As everything we do is only based on reverse engineering, its a major pain in the ass, doing stuff like this.
Of course, its possible from the technical perspective. It would just be way too much work to do.
Also, sadly, live edit streaming code is not available in Cataclysm release builds.
This would force us to first reverse engineer everything related to rendering, loading and managing files. Then write some magic thing that does synchronization between noggit and wow. As the structures used in the engine actually differ from the ones in the files, this would also need conversion from the noggit structures to files to engine structures.
All of that without being able to modify a single line of Wow without having pain.
Its too much pain from my perspective. I tried around with it a bit and did not feel like its worth investigating more.
--- End quote ---
Have to ask, wouldn't it be possible to load NoggIt into WoW, rather than next to it and having the updates show live?
Kind of like how Taliis did it ? Though terrain editing might be a bit more complicated than the object movement.
Saving and loading might give some issues (from a rather stupid point of view, but I know shit about wow's engine structures).
schlumpf:
--- Quote from: "TheBuG" ---Have to ask, wouldn't it be possible to load NoggIt into WoW, rather than next to it and having the updates show live?
Kind of like how Taliis did it ? Though terrain editing might be a bit more complicated than the object movement.
Saving and loading might give some issues (from a rather stupid point of view, but I know shit about wow's engine structures).
--- End quote ---
This video is actually mine, if you had a look at the username on youtube.
Doing this was a major pain in the ass, as explained above.
There are some other people -- I think Jadd did something as well -- who investigated on this. Yes, it _is_ possible. But it's hardly easier. When doing the two-application-approach, you can just use your own structures and do thing completely yourself. When going in-wow-process, you need to use the given rendering stuff, which you would have to reverse engineer just as if you'd only stream it. Also, you'd have to reverse engineer the other stuff named.
In the end, there isn't really much difference, except in-process, you have to stick to the given rules and out of process you just have to write data.
Saving and loading is the smallest problem. WoW can even write into MPQs, just as Noggit can.
TheBuG:
--- Quote from: "schlumpf" ---
--- Quote from: "TheBuG" ---Have to ask, wouldn't it be possible to load NoggIt into WoW, rather than next to it and having the updates show live?
Kind of like how Taliis did it ? Though terrain editing might be a bit more complicated than the object movement.
Saving and loading might give some issues (from a rather stupid point of view, but I know shit about wow's engine structures).
--- End quote ---
This video is actually mine, if you had a look at the username on youtube.
--- End quote ---
Should've known ;) .
--- Quote from: "schlumpf" ---Doing this was a major pain in the ass, as explained above.
There are some other people -- I think Jadd did something as well -- who investigated on this. Yes, it _is_ possible. But it's hardly easier. When doing the two-application-approach, you can just use your own structures and do thing completely yourself. When going in-wow-process, you need to use the given rendering stuff, which you would have to reverse engineer just as if you'd only stream it. Also, you'd have to reverse engineer the other stuff named.
In the end, there isn't really much difference, except in-process, you have to stick to the given rules and out of process you just have to write data.
Saving and loading is the smallest problem. WoW can even write into MPQs, just as Noggit can.
--- End quote ---
Fair enough, not unhappy with how things are at the moment, it would probably not have a huge impact on the quality of worldbuilds, just on the speed they're done. Then again, might make builders lazy (for as far as we aren't yet).
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