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Skarn:
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--- Quote from: "Ohai" ---And why did you name it model-changing, if its just content from modcraft, meaning WoW related. Modcraft says WoW model chaning is to general, there's alot of things you should change imo.
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I dunno i think you would have to name that one modcraft aswell, be more active on social networks(although for promotion of WoW in general there isnt much you can do except build awsome private servers :P). [...]
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According to this post I believe you think the new site initiative comes from original Modcraft owners.
That's wrong. In fact if I remember well that's because they didn't liked the idea of revamping the site (in this way, at least) that this initiative emerged. So there is no way they can just "keep" the name Modcraft, since they never got it at first.
In a perfect world, the best thing would be revamping Modcraft (if Modcraft has any issue), and promoting Modcraft to players and developers. I think everybody agrees with that. But I guess with conflicts it was not possible, hence the new site.
Please fix my words if I'm wrong.
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Yeah, basically, the original idea was to make community better. We offered Steff help, he refused. Then we obviously could do nothing to make this site better if its main admin does not want to change anything. He said he is working on a new site, new domain name himself. Well, neither of these things seems to exist now. So, I think the reason for us making an entirely new site is pretty obvious, I think.
Ohai:
--- Quote from: "spik96" ---According to this post I believe you think the new site initiative comes from original Modcraft owners.
That's wrong. In fact if I remember well that's because they didn't liked the idea of revamping the site (in this way, at least) that this initiative emerged. So there is no way they can just "keep" the name Modcraft, since they never got it at first.
In a perfect world, the best thing would be revamping Modcraft (if Modcraft has any issue), and promoting Modcraft to players and developers. I think everybody agrees with that. But I guess with conflicts it was not possible, hence the new site.
Please fix my words if I'm wrong.
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You're right I did think at first it was a new modcraft realized later its a different site, but the first post was kinda misguiding in that way, but still I think you rushed a few things. Name model changing, wowmods wowmodding or something would be more appropriate, and was looking at the website again this morning that slider lol, you have it on every single page I got on a profile page and it was even there.. I just cant belive 4 web designers said that was a good idea. You wont find 1 website on the internet with something like that, but I dont want to sound negative I support you and the whole initiave
spik96:
I agree the slider is a bit big (but not a bad idea, just resizing it would improve a lot of readability on smaller screens), and the name is a bit too specific, but I don't have a better idea myself so I won't complain. things like wowmodding would be too generic to create an identity on the Web.
Milly:
--- Quote from: "Ohai" ---You're right I did think at first it was a new modcraft realized later its a different site, but the first post was kinda misguiding in that way, but still I think you rushed a few things. Name model changing, wowmods wowmodding or something would be more appropriate, and was looking at the website again this morning that slider lol, you have it on every single page I got on a profile page and it was even there.. I just cant belive 4 web designers said that was a good idea. You wont find 1 website on the internet with something like that, but I dont want to sound negative I support you and the whole initiave
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We really didn't rush anything at all though. It took us 5 months to decide on model-changing.net. It went from craftymods, to bnet-dev, to model-changing. The first one was never meant to be taken seriously so don't judge :P
But the point is, we would brainstorm; like every week. Every one of us would spam our chat coming up with names. None of them stuck. We even created two public threads on our forums requesting website names. Nobody ever showed up with a decent idea. And there were TONs of ideas, but they all sucked. When we decided on bnet-dev, we actually had someone who came on and was furious about how shitty it was. This sunk in.
In truth, our website has actually been ready to release for 2 months now. What held us back for so long was a name. We didn't have a name that we were proud of and felt comfortable with. Eventually we decided on Model Changing.
And I understand your concerns, it's a weird name, but it's not meant literally. It's a legacy term taken from the lore of WoW Modding. People like MC Addicts (Model Changing Addicts) were the founders of this passion. There is also Hyakki's French modding forum called MC Revolution.
There's only so many different website possibilities using the terms WoW, Modding, Mods, and so on. They're all super generic as spik96 said, or they're cheesy sounding like Adjective WoW for a private server name. And if you don't choose one of these generic names, you at least need to choose something that is relevant enough for people to recognize the product or service that you offer. Model Changing fits perfectly.
Moving on to concerns about the slider: Our initial plan was to only have it on the front page. We originally had a bridged system using WordPress and phpBB3.1 which we eventually trashed because it was garbage. However we made every attempt to give the forum a good design without using the slider, and it just didn't work.
The entire page would jump around each time you click through the navigation, because adding/removing the slider depending on the page also increases/decreases the page's size by like 50%. It was an awful clunky system. and we wanted a smooth and consistent feel to our website. So you know everything was made to work in unity. Also, since our navigation is tied to the very top of the page, it left us little to no choice. There just aren't many good forum designs that involve having the navigation at the top. Modcraft for example has a banner before the navigation.
I understand you have a lot of strong opinions especially coming from a web designer perspective. But I assure you we're not toddlers drooling over each other. We spent months on this and carefully considered every possibility while working with our initial plans. Your solution seems to be to throw 6 months of work away, switch to a different CMS, and get a free theme from the satanic cash-farm that people call Theme Forest. I'm sorry... but no... That's just insane.
Let's put this on record: We really love our website name, and we love our slider as well. These two things make up a large portion of our website's identity and are the characteristics that we've grown quite fond of over the past few months. We will not change them. If enough people dislike the slider, we'll see about adding a button to hide it.
I appreciate you wanting to avoid negativity. Let's do that, please. Everyone has differences ;)
Смердокрыл:
Imho, "modcraft.net" would be much better. "Model changing" suggests a website dedicated to modelling, which does not include serverside scripting, world editing, etc. Also, unlike the new website, Modcraft's design and colour scheme are kind of cosy.There's just too much blue on mc.net and it feels cold.
Also, regarding the moding community part. You might not take my opinion seriously, since Im a comparatively new user and havent really contributed to the website, but I'll still say: I think that what scares off newcomers is that there are too much "showoff" and "pay for my work/help" posts and topics, instead of "tutorial" and "release". Yes, everyone needs money but such a scientific community will not progress if its only driven by profit.
Another point will be explained in the following little diagram:
How modding should work:
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Modding Official WoW
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How it actually works:
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Modding Official WoW
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Sitting on the old rusty and ugly WotLK just because its comfortable is not at all a way to progress. If the modding community should develop, it should start from modding itself.
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