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Color name poll
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stoneharry:
--- Quote from: "Milly" ---
--- Quote from: "stoneharry" ---I don't get why people need some cosmetic reward based on someone's arbitrary evaluation to raise their epeen.
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Just because you don't understand us doesn't mean we're wrong.
--- Quote from: "stoneharry" ---People who had coloured names certainly did not know or help more than non-coloured names.
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On average they most certainly did. Philly, Phantom, Skarn, Valkryst to name a few. Steff and Schlumpf count too as their Developer color helped distinguish them from being only moderators.
--- Quote from: "stoneharry" ---Polls like this will always bias towards the many getting their epeen back.
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Yes of course, and those people are also the most active members and most frequent contributors. They're also the people who have been around the longest and helped build this community.
As far as schlumpf's ramble is concerned, I'll once again state that nobody really cares about the banners underneath the names. And it's a part of WoW emulation culture to use colors for usergroups. Nobody here is confused about who is a moderator. There is a legend at the bottom of the page.
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Everything you say here is "can I get my pretty colours back". You don't actually give any reason. Community? What, you to make it like back in TBC and Burlex times where select individuals are worshipped as gods in the emulation community because apparently the community is that immature.
I really don't care to argue with random people on the Internet at the end of the day. Perhaps my opinion is wrong but I've certainly been here a very long time and experienced many different aspects of this "community". And I certainly think letting your "community", or player base, or whatever make decisions is pretty much the worst idea for any sort of cooperation/government/entity. People are stupid.
Milly:
There is really no reason to be this irate about colors. I'm not some greedy person as you seem so inclined to believe.
Honestly, you can take my badge and my color, I no longer deserve them as I've removed my contributions months ago. This isn't about me.
--- Quote from: "Milly" ---This is less about personal preference and more about the community's success.
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I've been around the block a few times. I've seen what these colors can do to people in the many communites I've lead and the ones I've been a part of, including this one. Would you so blatantly deny the fact that cosmetics motivate people to participate and contribute?
Whether you agree with it being a good or bad motive is irrelevant. If we're having an honest discussion about the community's success then it needs to be carefully considered.
Do you want 5 good hearted people who share and expect nothing meaningful in return for their hardwork? Or do you want an army of people who do it for colors and the chance of this community thriving?
MountainLion:
--- Quote from: "Milly" ---There is really no reason to be this irate about colors. I'm not some greedy person as you seem so inclined to believe.
Honestly, you can take my badge and my color, I no longer deserve them as I've removed my contributions months ago. This isn't about me.
--- Quote from: "Milly" ---This is less about personal preference and more about the community's success.
--- End quote ---
I've been around the block a few times. I've seen what these colors can do to people in the many communites I've lead and the ones I've been a part of, including this one. Would you so blatantly deny the fact that cosmetics motivate people to participate and contribute?
Whether you agree with it being a good or bad motive is irrelevant. If we're having an honest discussion about the community's success then it needs to be carefully considered.
Do you want 5 good hearted people who share and expect nothing meaningful in return for their hardwork? Or do you want an army of people who do it for colors and the chance of this community thriving?
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So far you two have made reasonable/valid statements, Stoneharry, Milly. I don't know neither of you as well as I'd like to (which is irrelevant because a moderator should be neutral), but I'll make a call based on what I know right now:
Milly, since you say you no longer contribute to this community, I think that you should no longer continue posting. This is a topic that concerns Modcraft and those who are concerned with Modcrafts success, structure, future, etc. Nothing personal Milly, I just think it is for the best and the most logical thing to do in this case :)
Stoneharry, let us try to be more considerate of others opinions, however irrelevant or 'stupid' one might think them to be. For example, some people think that a community (in any social aspect of life) ran by the community itself, which decides matters themselves and don't rely on a higher dictating power to govern them, is perfectly fine for them. Some don't, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
What happens is that things can get out of hand and really we can simply avoid all this in the first place. So a solution -which has been proposed- is in effect: A voting poll
Debating is fine, when it is civilized. Yelling does not help. Your vote can speak for you.
To those that have voted already, thank you. To those that have not voted yet, please feel welcome to do so.
This poll is not yet over, I assume.
Thank you for understanding my points of view.
Milly:
--- Quote from: "MountainLion" ---Milly, since you say you no longer contribute to this community, I think that you should no longer continue posting. This is a topic that concerns Modcraft and those who are concerned with Modcrafts success, structure, future, etc. Nothing personal Milly, I just think it is for the best and the most logical thing to do in this case :)
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What you say here contradicts everything I just stood for in this thread. I said that I removed the uploads that gave me a Contributor rank, not that I no longer contribute at all. As a matter of fact I'm here watching this forum and participating almost 16 hours a day, all week long. I help wherever I can so long as I know the answers, and I can honestly say that I genuinely care about the modding community. My arguments here are entirely about Modcraft's future.
By saying this to me, you're effectively stating that people without status probably should not speak here. It is condescending, unprofessional, and is in essence a counterproductive way to respond to a thread about ranks.
If Steff or whomever would like to restore my posts, I welcome them to do so. I do not have backups of these and whatever happened 3 months ago which you weren't even involved in should not invalidate my right to speak.
stoneharry:
--- Quote from: "MountainLion" ---
--- Quote from: "Milly" ---There is really no reason to be this irate about colors. I'm not some greedy person as you seem so inclined to believe.
Honestly, you can take my badge and my color, I no longer deserve them as I've removed my contributions months ago. This isn't about me.
--- Quote from: "Milly" ---This is less about personal preference and more about the community's success.
--- End quote ---
I've been around the block a few times. I've seen what these colors can do to people in the many communites I've lead and the ones I've been a part of, including this one. Would you so blatantly deny the fact that cosmetics motivate people to participate and contribute?
Whether you agree with it being a good or bad motive is irrelevant. If we're having an honest discussion about the community's success then it needs to be carefully considered.
Do you want 5 good hearted people who share and expect nothing meaningful in return for their hardwork? Or do you want an army of people who do it for colors and the chance of this community thriving?
--- End quote ---
So far you two have made reasonable/valid statements, Stoneharry, Milly. I don't know neither of you as well as I'd like to (which is irrelevant because a moderator should be neutral), but I'll make a call based on what I know right now:
Milly, since you say you no longer contribute to this community, I think that you should no longer continue posting. This is a topic that concerns Modcraft and those who are concerned with Modcrafts success, structure, future, etc. Nothing personal Milly, I just think it is for the best and the most logical thing to do in this case :)
Stoneharry, let us try to be more considerate of others opinions, however irrelevant or 'stupid' one might think them to be. For example, some people think that a community (in any social aspect of life) ran by the community itself, which decides matters themselves and don't rely on a higher dictating power to govern them, is perfectly fine for them. Some don't, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
What happens is that things can get out of hand and really we can simply avoid all this in the first place. So a solution -which has been proposed- is in effect: A voting poll
Debating is fine, when it is civilized. Yelling does not help. Your vote can speak for you.
To those that have voted already, thank you. To those that have not voted yet, please feel welcome to do so.
This poll is not yet over, I assume.
Thank you for understanding my points of view.
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Reading your post is why I hate ranks.
"Look at me, I may be a moderator but MY OPINION".
I don't value your opinion and I don't agree with you. I don't think a poll is the correct solution - people are stupid.
Perhaps my posts come across as rude. They are just to the point, no beating around the bush. And cynical.
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