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Method:
--- Quote from: "schlumpf" ---Back in 2009 I tried taking "tutorial requests". It sadly didn't take off. I'd be happy with a place where people request information on a topic, as neutral and short as possible. As stated above, I don't exactly like tutorials. I'm not quite sure about what format is the right one though. Possibly something wiki-ish with commenting inline.
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I liked the format of the Noggit guide already here on Modcraft, segmented, book-like, episodic tutorials. They are clear to follow and clearly visible.
We should have sections for:
1) [Tutorial Requests] where people make requests for tutorials.
2) [Tutorials] where tutorials are delivered.
3) maybe we could have [Paid Tutorials] where posters release the tutorial for a small fee, to make writing the tutorial worth their while.
Whether this should be a combined tutorial board or seperated between boards I don't really know. Retro-porting might have their own retro tutorials, whereas Serverside has their serverside tutorials, so in that respect, a unified tutorial board doesn't make sense, unless that unified tutorial board is also sectioned.
schlumpf:
--- Quote from: "Method" ---
--- Quote from: "schlumpf" ---Back in 2009 I tried taking "tutorial requests". It sadly didn't take off. I'd be happy with a place where people request information on a topic, as neutral and short as possible. As stated above, I don't exactly like tutorials. I'm not quite sure about what format is the right one though. Possibly something wiki-ish with commenting inline.
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I liked the format of the Noggit guide already here on Modcraft, segmented, book-like, episodic tutorials. They are clear to follow and clearly visible.
We should have sections for:
1) [Tutorial Requests] where people make requests for tutorials.
2) [Tutorials] where tutorials are delivered.
3) maybe we could have [Paid Tutorials] where posters release the tutorial for a small fee, to make writing the tutorial worth their while.
Whether this should be a combined tutorial board or seperated between boards I don't really know. Retro-porting might have their own retro tutorials, whereas Serverside has their serverside tutorials, so in that respect, a unified tutorial board doesn't make sense, unless that unified tutorial board is also sectioned.
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Writing a book like tutorial is hard, overkill, a huge effort, … Not what I'd suggest if we want more tutorials. Also, huge long tutorials are huge and long. If I just wanted to know how to add a skybox, I'm lost in this huge thing. Tbh, I don't even know if it covers that.
There is a tutorials subforum for each forum.
I more and more think that a forum is a horrible thing.
stoneharry:
--- Quote from: "Method" ---but we have so many other aspects to WoW modding, like everything I've already mentioned. Model swapping, npc pathing, cinematic creation, even basic addon creation, we have nothing near an adequate amount of information. In some areas we have NO or LITTLE information.
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What? Why do you need information on this stuff?
Model swapping = common sense. You learn how the MPQ structure works and then it's a piece of piss.
NPC Pathing = a complicated issue that changes a lot. Emulators currently use variations of A*. You cannot give a guide on this - this is something you need to study in your own time, which Google can help you with.
Basic addon creation = A million guides for this already exist on the Internet. That's how I learnt.
So everything you listed there I completely disagree with. We don't need tutorials for tutorials sake and there's no need to copy stuff over here if there are dedicated sites for these specific areas.
Kaev:
--- Quote from: "stoneharry" ---
--- Quote from: "Method" ---but we have so many other aspects to WoW modding, like everything I've already mentioned. Model swapping, npc pathing, cinematic creation, even basic addon creation, we have nothing near an adequate amount of information. In some areas we have NO or LITTLE information.
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What? Why do you need information on this stuff?
Model swapping = common sense. You learn how the MPQ structure works and then it's a piece of piss.
NPC Pathing = a complicated issue that changes a lot. Emulators currently use variations of A*. You cannot give a guide on this - this is something you need to study in your own time, which Google can help you with.
Basic addon creation = A million guides for this already exist on the Internet. That's how I learnt.
So everything you listed there I completely disagree with. We don't need tutorials for tutorials sake and there's no need to copy stuff over here if there are dedicated sites for these specific areas.
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I'd love to have many short tutorials on one site instead of searching on google and may fight very outdated tutorials in really bad english. I also like to learn stuff in a short, fast way instead of experementing with everything i want to do. It's like programming, the solution might be very easy, but sometimes you just can't find it alone and may give up sooner or later.
I like schlumpf's idea of a own site with a tutorial system or something instead of a forum. Maybe there won't be a big difference, but it feels completely different. At least for me. :)
Steff:
Tutorial requests is a good Point. THis way others could pic one and start. I will have this in mind during rework of the site structure. In the moment we work on the move to teh new root. If this is done I will start a discussion and work the new structure of the site aout with you.
To the tutorial thing. I think it is not possible to explain every single pice of modding in Detail. But what we Need is a set of tutorial explain the Basic ways of doing Things with an real working exaple.
Like how to use 010 and templates or a DBC editong guide with some examples. As there is the documentation on wowDev Wiki everyone can then do stuff.
I also got in the meanwhile 2 requests from People willing to do some tutorial work in the future.
I also search for some realy motivated People for Moderation. A Team of 3 till 4 People. So if you have some funded wow skills and think a moderator post is yours. Ask me on skype. > Project.modcraft
Updated the main post with:
- Expanding the tutorial with general needed stuff.
- Create a tutorial request board. Perahaps where every request is a poll. So tutorial writers can see what the community needs most.
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