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Rangorn:


For my part, i don't give a fuck about the fact there are 2 community now, I still browse Modcraft and help people if i know how to fix their prob, but i'm contributing to MC.net, because the release section is a very good idea and very simple.

Creating a new forum was a good idea i think, Modcraft is old with huge content, but for me, modcraft is "cold"
Skarn and Milly just wanted to revive modding and give him a new identity.

Btw, you don't have to choose between the 2 forums, it's not Fallout New vegas.

Milly:
Well, half is already discussed a thousand times so I'll keep it short. There are no advertising links being sent out in private messages by me. Steff talked to me about the situation and even showed me the messages in question. They were made by Skarn and were mostly links to his patches. Only four messages in total. Anyway...

There's a lot more features on our site than the ones you mention schlumpf and you're not going to see them without an open mind. The wiki link isn't to imply that we own the wiki, sorry if you took that the wrong way. But the wiki has always needed a clearly accessible link because half of people who start modding don't even know it exists, then they ask stupid questions. :

Also, it really isn't a dick fight between dictators. I don't care what people do on my site as long as it's not extremely illegal like CP or something. I'm an anarchist, and my maturity on a scale from 1-100 is 69. I just... Don't.... Care.

And there was even a 5th or 6th or millionth attempt at working with Steff just the other week. We had a heated argument about the sites over Skype and it seemed to end on a friendly note. I was gonna help out with Maruum because I think it's an interesting world and a large community project like that is healthy for modding.

Now he is ignoring me again. Everyone is ignoring everyone. There is some personal problems all over the place. I don't care that you personally hate me schlumpf, and I sure as heck don't care what slander MountanLion is bound to spew at me. All I care about is WoW Modding and you can keep calling me a liar, I don't care if you believe me. I couldn't give less of of a fuck about this drama fest anymore. There's so many more important things going on in my life right now. Why people can't just switch to a better site, and quit whining about it is beyond my comprehension.

The website is totally FREE and Steff & schlumpf are welcome to take their rightful spots as admins on my site. You can even have your FTP access, it's not like I want to ruin everything about you and all the things you've worked towards. Ascathos, Mr. DK, and Valkryst can have moderator. People can receive back their earned ranks. Posts can transfer. We could even make a Modcraft theme for the new forum so people can have that old-timey feel. We could all join together and WoW modding could have its renaissance. But Steff says no. And I'm done asking him. Why should I care anymore? I don't. Okay, bye now.

Actually, side-note: I'm genuinely sorry that your contribution here was undermined, schlumpf. A big reason the community may be split in some way is because people feel loyal to Steff. Feel free to disagree.

spik96:
Without unity, history repeats itself again and again.
In the current situation, one day in many years, if there is still activity of course, maybe there will be fights inside MC-Net between Milly & Skarn, or a new challenger will come and things will go shit, or something else... That's just what people always f*cking do.
I joined 2 years ago. I know about Steff only for some months, before that I thought schlumpf was the big administrator so I get the frustration that is in the air. I'm glad the Wiki stays neutral, at least. The gathering of knowledge must always be safe of lower conflicts.

I love different things in both Modcraft and MC.net. I like them, I do not think being a fanatic for one or the other.

Maybe it would have been better to publish all the suggestions that eventually lead to creating MC.Net on the forum. I may be completely wrong, but the only public debate I have seen about Modcraft evolution was about ranks.

With more suggestions and a public support from community members, maybe Modcraft could have evolved better : Probably not everything would have been accepted (example : the ranks looked like dividing), but think about it : if only 75% of MC.net features had been added to Modcraft, would have this new site existed ?

I believe the best would be to evolve Modcraft with some features claimed. I'm sure there are features really good on MC.net that Steff would not think bad. Some will be discussed, like ranks. I suggest to leave that at the moment, and add the other things, leading therefore to a good lightened compromise.

Right now, there is an opportunity. Like every compromise it would be a two side effort : one side accepting some changes and the other side accepting that not every desired change is going to be implemented.

Note : what I'm suggesting here does not imply a cancelling of MC.net whatsoever, I'm just suggesting Modcraft should inspire itself from a couple features of MC.net (not all) to heal the schism. I already seen scenarios like these and it may lead in healthy concurrency or differentiation with a website more specialized than the other.

Skarn:
Okay, I see your point but I don't really see anything we have not discussed in that old thread. But I will explain what I think anyway.

1. Destroying Modcraft or splitting the communtiy was never a purpose of this website project. The purpose was to give a new rise to WoW modding. As Milly (Elrena) said many times, we offered Steff help, he rejected. We offered Steff merging to a ready-to-use new community, he raged. So, splitting the community was actually never a thing we wanted to do. And there is even a question if we did it just because we got pretty big activity on our website, I can more or less say that quite a decent number of people support or at least like our idea. Also right now it is Modcraft who is trying to split the community. Steff is doing his best for it to happen by prohibiting links to other boards and payed jobs on the board. Seriously? Here on MC-Net we care about what people do and their work and it is no problem if someone links Mocraft, Ac-Web, Ownedcore or his own blog/website. No problem at all.

2. Speaking about my private messages. Let's clear that out once and forever. I sent the message containing a link to MC-Net release section with my model resource to 5 people as they requested this patch long ago. I can't double my work both on MC-Net and Mocraft, so I did send this one. Also it is called "Private Messages" and reading other people's private messages is a fucking huge violation of "common manners". They are called private for a reason.

3. The wiki. Milly has said enough but I will add that we added a link to the wiki because it is much easier for people to click one huge button in the upper menu instead of linking that wiki page shitloads of times as it is not even link on Modcraft. We respect everyone who worked on the wiki and never claim anything as our "own". We just provide convinience for users because this is the purpose of a community, not stupid ownership politics.

4. Advantages of our site. You already named only two of them when you forgot a possibility to start your own project page, project promotion banner and whatnot. Thanks for giving an opinion about the mobile version, I am aware about the problem there.

Also, nothing really happen the last three years to improve Modcraft. I have only seen shoutbox removal, fucking up ranks and so on. Only some reductions and degrading features. No one did a shit to save this community, so the activity it had in 2012 can't even be compared to the current one. Activity is what makes a community to produce new things and we seem to be getting it. This picture represents everything I think, thanks to its author.


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Spik96, why did you think me and Milly are going to have a fight? It is just a really weird assumption.

spik96:

--- Quote from: "Skarn" ---Spik96, why did you think me and Milly are going to have a fight? It is just a really weird assumption.
--- End quote ---
In long term (I'm speaking of years) it is possible to see new instabilities, that was just an example, sorry ^^". I could have picked any other pseudos, I do not know how to express that precisely in English, but what I mean is that if not plan "What happens to Modcraft when there is a fight ?" has been set then maybe no "What happens to MC.net when there is a fight ?" plan exists neither, same for futures sites etc. and the community could be doomed to divide itself again and again across time. I just fear what we see here is a really common problem on Internet ;) !

Note : That picture always makes me laugh x)

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