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Sina:
--- Quote from: "Steff" ---And sina why an app for something you can do with windows build in functions or with an dock app?
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Because nobody uses it :3
It a little bit like saying "Why having a custom mouse for a game, people can change their mouse in windows". People just don't. It needs a hell lot of time, to get the things, as you want them this way.
Also, people had to rename the programs to something understandable "TerrainEditor", etc. Also with "authserver" and "worldserver". Normal people think "I want to try my map". So, "Try map"-Button starts authserver, worldserver and then the game. TerrainEditor-Button starts Noggit and Modelviewer. It's a click less, and one thought less, which of this crazy names were the one, you needed to do, what you wanted to do.
Steff:
I tink people that need such low level help will never finish a worldbuilding. If you want to learn some stuff you have to read some stuff and understand the tech behind it. And wow is not the easyest tech and the most bad thing is that it is almost not full discover waht all this DBC entrys realy do.
I sometimes near getting to rage if people dont read tutorials and help because its to Much to read. They perhaps dont think about that we need much more time to write it so its a litle bit disrespectful. Ys I want to make it easyer for beginners but i dont want to take the hand of lazy people and show them how to use own feet to walk.
How to setup your windows system to get fast to your app have nothing to do with modding but with basic PC usage. Perhaps you could just take a look at rocet dock and tell people how to use it.
Again I am with you at the app idea, but people also should invest some bain and self-initiative.
But now back to the topic. Will try to get forst part(s) ready next weekend.
Sina:
--- Quote from: "Steff" ---i dont want to take the hand of lazy people and show them how to use own feet to walk.
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Help them with the first step, and they will see, if they want to walk.
It's like someone, who says he want to learn about 3D-work and you just give him a incredible big book. That's not motivating. Only few masters of their art really started with the idea "That's what I really want to do!". They tried some times and then found out, that they really like it, and read things about it, etc, etc.
I think, if this first trying is easier, more people would try (and find out, that they like it). That's why I slowly learned to use Blender or GIMP (which are, in some opinions, horrible to use) and never Java. Blender/GIMP can be downloaded and easy installed. It shows just the basics to get something done. For more, you have to install add-ons (or activate them). For Java, you have to create a development environment out of 3-4 downloads (I can't remember all), and I didn't know, if everything was installed right.
Just make the first hour in modding easier by giving a small quicklaunch-program which leads you a little bit (opens the fitting tutorials, for what you want to do, etc), the more people will try, the more people will know about it and the more future pro-modders will see it. That's how I think, it could work.
And, yes, we could make an own thread for the discussion, how to get beginners and how to help them.
Steff:
> and you just give him a incredible big book.
Thats the way I learn stuff. Read 1 till 3 such books in month. I love to read such stuff IF there are books for the topic I am interested in. If you work in a technical job its a must to be up to date.
> Blender or GIMP
I work with photoshop and 3D Studio at work for over 13 Years now. And I can say that blender and Gimp are the horribles apps. I try to get into them but the workflows are just crap. ;)
> Java...
learn c# if you dont need apps for Linux. Much easyer and modern.
> Just make the first hour in modding easier
I have not the time to do ALL of this and others just don´t do it. Modcraft is no community. There are 5 till 7 people do "some" stuff and 2500 guys only take and not give anything back.
I know what would be good to get every beginner the posbillity to get fast and easy started. I just don´t know if I have the time and motivation to do this all. I want to build. I dont do all this sutff because its fun for me. Its just the stupid hope to get a team together.
So back to topic :)
Are there all tools in that are needed or did i forgot something? No modeling in the moemnt only map making and DBC stuff.
matija168:
--- Quote ---I sometimes near getting to rage if people dont read tutorials and help because its to Much to read.
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You said yourself that WoW modding is all about "Try and error".
I have myself never read the whole tutorials, but rather went about discovering things myself.
--- Quote ---And sina why an app for something you can do with windows build in functions or with an dock app?
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I would say that kind of attitude is exacelly the thing that is blocking the modding scene from progressing any further. The answer to that question is simple, "because I can" and "because it will make things easier to the entire community". Simplifying everything to a "noob-friendly" degree would certainly help in not scaring newbies in their first look on a collection of dozens -separate- tools with their own funcions nessesary to be used one with another. Because I must say that I myself was dreaded on the first sight on the tool page.
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