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Sina:
It would be VERY cool, if there is a program to make all this copy-things, etc.
Also some kind of quicklauncher for the programs.
Normal, stupid people (like me :D ) don't think with folders. I could delete my modding folders ever two months, because I just copied some things there, made some save copies there, some files of this project there.
So it would be cool to have a program, which would "translate" this to a more human-usual way of thinking.
What I mean is: People don't think "Hey, I could copy this premade folder to somewhere and rename it. And don't change it else, to screw the whole thing up.". They think "I want to start.". Maybe "I want to create a project.".
It would be cool, if the program just has a "New Project"-Button, which does this. A lot easier and you can't screw it up.
Same with the program names. Normal people don't just think "Hey, I want to start noggit.", they usually want to "Edit the world". A folder full of programs helps, in the first way, nothing. It's like my first view on crytec tools (in elous bundle). I opened it, clicked the funny names, saw some funny dos-boxes, smiled, and closed it again. Forever.
So it would be cool to have a program with the Button "World editing". This opens a window which shows links to the programs with understandable names. Like "Edit World" (->Noggit+Modelviewer), "Add Water" (->AllWaterGui), "Edit Sky" (->MyDbcEditor), etc.
For things like the sky, it would be nice if the program could work with dbcs. Because only opening the dbc editor won't help a lot. Much better, if you type it into the program, and the program opens the right dbc, jumps to the line of the project, you are currently editing and as you save it, it also copies this into your patch-folder for the project.
Things like FuTa are kinda hard to describe, but that's no problem. As a beginner, you won't need FuTa, it would just confuse you. If you are advanced, you can use it later (therefore the "plug-ins").
It's surely better, to get all programs with the first download and no need to download them step by step. But this increases the need for a quick launcher for beginners, so you don't get killed by a folder with 20 programs.
About the client: Therefore, a program would also be nice. Just something, that downloads the client and places it in the right folder.
I don't know how hexediting works with programs, but if the program would edit the wow.exe (which is started by the user), I don't think this would occur legal issues.
All in all: I think, you help people the most by making it simple (game-like, thinking in "worlds" and not in folders, dbcs and maps). Therefore, a program would be immense usefull.
This could be a little example, what I mean: http://www.gameglobe.com/
Easy website, easy modding-start, then chances to become better. Easy playing (in the browser), easy sharing, lots of help-functions, etc.
Sure, WoW-Modding will never be that easy, but just to show some main aspects.
All in all, this game is really boring :/
The folders, how you described them, are in a good order, what would be a very good base for a program. But not even I, as being not really a newcomer, can't understand all :D
Steff:
I am NOT able to create data stuff. If i am the app you descripe would bee done 4 years ago. But al the others that are able to do it dont get it done. I want this app: But its simple impossible if you dont get the data handled.
I started this with noggit and it failes. No i try with sharpWoW but again cromon now dont do work for 6 weeks. I spend around 40 houres of coding with the interface and again no data managemen from other guys. I cant count the useless spend houres i try to get this done. Must be hundreds now.
Why do i all this? Because the hope to find some people to work together. Give out what I learn in the hope to get someday help back and find some people that want to do something great together, no only help me with my project but join the idea, like it and get it done in a team.
And as long there is no such app the next way is to mae it easyer for people to start.
My noggit concept.
wiki/index.php5?title=Noggit_studio_concept
wiki/index.php5?title=Noggit4
Stuff implemented in c# for join with cromon. Full project management implemented.
http://imagr.eu/up/509198682c1126_genesis.jpg
Stuff i have done 3 ears ago. Modcraft manager. App that used existing other apps like noggit or CMD tools and run them. But this was way to slow and buggy for use
http://imagr.eu/up/509197bb9ce803_TExture.jpg
http://imagr.eu/up/509198327c0fd9_Unbenannt-2.jpg
The UI stuff I implemented in noggit you all know
From
http://imagr.eu/upload/Noggit5.JPG
Yes this was the interface of noggit if we started. There was simple no interface. Only some text stuff over the 3d view. All the menus dialogs and so on where created by me. Except Textur browser and tool options. They where stil implemented on startup. So we get to this.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QEUr6Q7e8AU/U ... 0/Caps.jpg
So yes you are right, we need such a app and I want it :). And if you now give me contacts to 1 till 3 coders that are able to write data classes for me and give them to me I will again spend tons of time to get a working app coded.
But if the app is done. Will we realy see a big project many work togehter on. I think no because all want to do OWN server and stuff. Its .....frustrating...
Sina:
Same problem like everytime :/
Someone who just can do some java or something, to create some buttons which start the starter-programs would be helpfull. And you had this backup-manager, this would, with some changes, also be very helpfull.
matija168:
You should make a Modcraft Noggit development team recruitment sheet, make a shortcut on the index page, and post the recruitment thread on every single community that has anything to do with wow modding and / coding. I'm sure someone willing to help would respond. It's something worth trying I guess.
Steff:
We run it now for over 4 years. And for one open source. There are not much developers out there in the modding szene. And I know the mosts and the one exist dont have skills in data stuff.
And sina why an app for something you can do with windows build in functions or with an dock app?
http://imagr.eu/up/50922b5bb703e5_RocketDockWoW.jpg
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